Mosin Nagant Issues

Djsamphard

Djsamphard

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Hello everyone.

I recently bought my first milsurp rifle from a site sponsor a few months ago. It was for sale for $125. I was really excited to purchase it because I am broke and the price was good. When I received the rifle , the first thing I noticed was that it had no cosmoline on it.The second thing I notice was that the bolt would not close when I put a round inside the chamber. But when it did eventually close from hammering the bolt, the round would not extract. I emailed the store and they said try cleaning the rifle. After cleaning the rifle I had the same issue. So I opened up the mosin and carefully examined all the parts and what I noticed that the extractor was broken. I then tried removing the extractor. Put it in a vice and tried to hammer it down but 0 luck. It would no budge at all but it stared peeling of and I tried breaking it piece by piece to remove it from the bolt head. I removed most of the extractor except the last 2 cm on the bottom which seems like is welded on to the bolt head. I tried everything from hammering , to applying lube, to warming it up with a blow torch to try to loosen that last bit out, BUT NOTHING!. THE DASTARD THING WILL NOT COME OUT. So it seems that not only do I need a new extractor but also a new bolt head. I emailed the store and they told me that I am screwed and that the rifle was sold as is. the rifle was banged up BUT I at least expected the damn thing to work.

So now I have this $125 mosin nagant that doesn't work. I am a student/broke/no job and don't really have the funds to buy new parts for a rifle that SHOULD have at least worked.

PLEASE HELP ME!:kickInTheNuts:
 
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That sucks. At $125, as is, sadly, you took a chance. Usually at that sort of price you are buying a parts gun or something that needs fixing up. I go through a lot of milsurps and that is usually how it plays out. If the store is reputable they might try to find the part for you but, "caveat emptor" Befor putting any more into this rifle I would have somebody who knows a bit about these things check it out and see if it is worth spending more on it. As you describe it, the removal of the extractor should have been simple. It almost sounds like it was welded in place. Weird. Sorry man.
 
Was it advertised or promoted to you as being sold "as-is"?

If not, I disagree with the concept of caveat emptor.

Look at Section 15 of this: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90s01_e.htm

I hate when businesses try to take advantage of people, especially those who can least afford it.

If it was a cheap rifle, so what. It would seem that the remedy should be inexpensive as well.

In fact, PM me if you would like and I can maybe give you a hand at finding a resolution.
 
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That bottom portion is all that is left after hammering and cutting the extractor.
 
Although I believe that firearms should be represented accurately, I am wondering just how much of this is the responsiblility of the OP and how much is of the store.

The OP states that he dropped a round into the chamber, then had to beat on the bolt to get it to close. Then it would not open. Then he discovers that the extractor is broken, and he has beat on the head and attempted to saw at it to remove the extractor.

Military rifles are designed for positive or controlled feeding. That is, to be fed from the magazine into the chamber by closing the bolt and stripping the cartridge from the magazine. By dropping a cartridge into the chamber, and then closing the bolt, it forces a fairly stiff extractor over the rim of the cartridge and bends the extractor. This alone can break the extractor, and it is especially true when a Mauser type rifle is involved. On a Moisin Nagant, the rim is wider than most common military rifles for their calibre. On the MN, being a rimmed cartridge, it can not really enter the chamber past the rim, but in a rimless cartridge like the 8x57 Mauser, it is possible to greatly increase the headspace by forcing the cartridge into the chamber and moving the shoulder of the cartridge back. (This was happening in a post about a month ago when the OP complained of excess headspace in a .280 Remington barreled military actioned rifle. By loading properly through the magazine, his problem was solved."

So, I am wondering just how much of this was caused by the OP himself, and his subsequent "hammering" of the rifle. I am not being an apologist for any business or dealer here, but just what caused the problem, where was it done, and lets be fair as we are only hearing one side of the story right now.
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When I received the rifle I could not close the bolt when I inserted a round when I opened the rifle I saw the small little hook thing that is suppose to be on the extractor was not there. The extractor was broken when I opened the rifle before any of the hammering trying to remove the dang thing.
 
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