Mosin Nagant M44 vs. M38
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So wait...The M44 needs the bayonet extended to shoot? It's permanently affixed, and swings out from the side...I know that much.
Do you say this because it is balanced to shoot with the bayonet out? Or that it gets in the way otherwise?
Or are you just talking out of "you know what?"
Do you say this because it is balanced to shoot with the bayonet out? Or that it gets in the way otherwise?
Or are you just talking out of "you know what?"
ilovepotatos said:So wait...The M44 needs the bayonet extended to shoot? It's permanently affixed, and swings out from the side...I know that much.
Do you say this because it is balanced to shoot with the bayonet out? Or that it gets in the way otherwise?
Or are you just talking out of "you know what?"
Ive heard that under recoil the bayonet likes to poke/pinch your fingers. Ive never actually shot one but a few people have told me about it.
With my M44 I found that it shot the same whether the bayo was mounted and closed as it did with the bayonet removed from the rifle. Either way it shoots POI and dead center. The barrels are free floated on the MN so I suppose some of them might experiance a bit of pull to one side with the bayonet closed... but my 1953 Polish M44 does not suffer from this.
My Hungarian M44 shoots almost six inches to the right at 100 yards with the bayo folded. The groups are almost the same, but point of impact changes. I shoot my 44s extended. My M38 is counterbored and the rifling isn't near as good as my M44s so it doesn't as well. I prefer my M44 over my 38 but agin, my 38 has more mileage. Would love to find a Russian M38 with a perfect non-counterbored barrel.
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Slimbo said:
I've sent hundreds of shots through my M44 with the bayonet closed. If you hold if properly, with your fingers in the finger grooves like you're supposed to and not wrapping your mitts around it as much as you can, there's no trouble at all with it.
As for the rest of it... they're essentially the same rifle, except that the M44 was the end result of the bayonet-fetish the Russians had. All of their weapons were tested and made to fire with the bayonets locked, hence why the big long-rifles have a wandering zero without one, yet can be a laser with one.
Permanently attaching the bayonet made for the simplification of the whole ordeal.
I find that it unbalances my shots open and closed, though. Fires to the left when closed, to the right when opened... but not enough to make THAT much of a difference. Putting round after round into the 5-inch steel circle target 200 yards downrange is still satisfying... particularly since I do it with iron sights and as fast as I can... annoys the hell out of the slow-and-steady scope-shooters around me, muaha...
At today's prices, the question you need to ask is "why not have both?"
The M38 is a racier little carbine to my eyes (I have 4 of them and counting), but you NEED some M44's too. (I have 2).
Both will perform equally assuming a nice bore. The M44 will be more likely to shoot to point of aim with the bayo extended - it was designed that way.
My "go-to" shooter is a nice little 1942 Laminate stocked M38 refurb, non-import marked, not counterbored with pretty decent rifling.
The M38 is a racier little carbine to my eyes (I have 4 of them and counting), but you NEED some M44's too. (I have 2).
Both will perform equally assuming a nice bore. The M44 will be more likely to shoot to point of aim with the bayo extended - it was designed that way.
My "go-to" shooter is a nice little 1942 Laminate stocked M38 refurb, non-import marked, not counterbored with pretty decent rifling.
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Claven2 said:
Now thats an argument I can Identify with!! I have a 44, now to find a 38. When my wife flips I'm blaming you!!!
