Mosin nagant??

matty86suk

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Just ordered a m1944 carbine from frontier plus some ammo, what should I expect from this rifle? Will it be preserved with cosmo? I want this rifle as a deer/bear rifle, How hard is it to find SP ammo in 762 54r? I want to add a scope, has anyone used the ati scope mount and bent bolt handle with good results? Will it shoot straight without the bayo, cause i really don't need it hunting and such?
any info on this rifle will be great
thx everyone

matty
 
You will get more replies in the Milsurp section. This section is mostly for sks's and vz.58's.
As for your question, SP is pretty hard to come by, unless you are willing to spend 45$ a box for Norma. If you plan to hunt with it and scope it, get an aftermarket synthetic stock for it to keep the original wood stock in good shape. I have a 91/30 rifle and I know that I wouldn't use it for hunting. I find the action gets really hard to cycle after a few shots and I would not count on getting any quick follow up shots with it. I use it mostly at the range and since I have loads of surplus ammo for it, its affordable anf fun to shoot. If you must hunt with a milsurp, get an Enfield ( take off original wood and get a sporter stock for it). Ammo is alot easier to find and follow ups shots can be taken alot faster.
 
cote_b said:
You will get more replies in the Milsurp section. This section is mostly for sks's and vz.58's.
As for your question, SP is pretty hard to come by, unless you are willing to spend 45$ a box for Norma. If you plan to hunt with it and scope it, get an aftermarket synthetic stock for it to keep the original wood stock in good shape. I have a 91/30 rifle and I know that I wouldn't use it for hunting. I find the action gets really hard to cycle after a few shots and I would not count on getting any quick follow up shots with it. I use it mostly at the range and since I have loads of surplus ammo for it, its affordable anf fun to shoot. If you must hunt with a milsurp, get an Enfield ( take off original wood and get a sporter stock for it). Ammo is alot easier to find and follow ups shots can be taken alot faster.
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I'm gonna disagree on pretty well every point.

-7.62x54r SP from Privi Partisan is about the same price as generic hunting .308win and shoots quite well. IIRC I got 1.5" groups with it and I'm no sniper. Also the brass is really good and reloads well.
-I baught the ATI Monte Carlo stock and bedded it with decient results.
-poor cycling is generally caused by a thin layer of cosmo in the chamber that causes cases to stick after firing. The solution is a 12ga. bore brush on a drill and some good cleaning solvent. Cleaning out the chamber worked wonders on mine and there is no more sticking.
-Surplus is generally delinked GPMG ammo and some say too hot. I can tell you that compaired to proper loads the suplus stuff I've fired is very hot and not overly accurate. Proper rifle loads don't get surplussed for the mosin very often as they are still good for use in the current issue SVDs etc.
-Scope mounting is best accomplished with the russian mount that can be found here eastwave .ca/products/scopes/mosinrail.html (remove space before .ca). Or there is a scout mount that is quite solid and works well.

Hope all this is helpful.
 
The scout mount? That replaces the rear sight for use with a long eye releif scope?? I also read somewhere you could remove the fmj round and recrimp a SP round, anyone hear or have done this??

matty
 
Yes there are a variety of scout mounts available for the mosin and only one is worth mounting and that is the Darryl mount (see my PM to you for a pic). It actually holds zero.

I imagine you could pull and replace the bullets with SPs in surplus rounds but I dont know why. The load will still be too hot, its needless work and the primers corrosive etc. Like I said decient hunting ammo is available at compairable prices, I'm sure you could find a dealer here with some available.
 
- I bought at a gun range last year a few boxes of Sellier and Bellot ammo for my M44 Mosin, bullets with SP. About $20 per box of 20 rounds.

- I got a scope mount that replaces the rear sight on it. Cheap kind, but after I've replaced the original nuts and bolts of the mount with some that were made of something else than jello, and used lock-tite on the threads, it seems to be holding zero. (two trips at the range, about 75 rounds shot total, shooting at 100 yard targets). I put a long eye relief scope on it and voilà, cheap deer hunting rifle. With this setup, no need to change the bolt handle.

- I agree with a Lee Enfield being a better, cheap deer hunting rifle solution. I have that too, with a scope mount and scope. Prefer it mostly for the way the safety operates. (wink wink nudge nudge, got a spare one for sale in the EE section :) )

Regards,

Lou
 
I own a Mosin Nagant 91/30. I agree that a smelly may be a better choice for deer. I live in Thunder Bay though, and the 7.62x54r is snappy enough for any moose, and I wouldn't give a bear too much of a chance against it.

I don't know much about scoping, as distances are fairly short up here, and there's no real reason to use one, unless you've got something against iron sights.

I'm told the 54r retains the same bullet energy as the 300 win mag at 400 yards, but like I said, with 80 yard max shots being the norm up here, it's kinda a moot point.

I've shot a .303 brit before, and it seems much much milder, even though it's lighter. If you were pwning cute little deer, that's more than enough. The natives up here are known to use .22 mag for deer. (double lung shot, follow the blood spoor after a cigarette break).

P.S. I'm a target shooter, and just use my mosin for fun, and so I go through alot of ammo. I've used the prvi partisan, and can smoke a can of spray paint at about a 125 yards with it, but now I use graf and sons brass from ellwood epps and load my own, for significant savings.
 
skirsons said:
Another milsurp is getting bubba'd... oh the humanity.
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Ottawa, September 4th 2008

Object: Feared Bubba'ed Mosin-Nagant M44

Dear Mr. Skirsons,

I recently read your post in which you expressed your dissatisfaction with the sadly too common Bubbafication of military surplus rifles.

You will be glad to learn that the Russian rifle I was referring too in a post preceeding yours (dated September 4th at noon, proof that I was taking full advantage of my luch hour to indulge in some well-deserved firearms-related leisure), is in no way permanently modified. I would even go as far as stating that it is not worthy of being qualified as "Bubba'ed".

When I prepared that rifle with the admitted intention of taking it out this fall for some deer hunting, I carefully used a punch to remove the rear sight leaf pin (or, as the British would say, the "pin, leaf, sight, rear" or something weird like that, but this ain't a Lee Enfield so God knows why I'm even mentioning it), then removed the rear sight leaf, placed both the leaf and the pin in a Ziploc bag, and placed these precious parts in a box under my workbench.

Thus, the scope mount (which, I reiterate, is of the "cheap" variety, since this is a rifle for a hunter on a tight budget) can be removed at any time and the rifle returned to its full military, historically-accurate status, with little effort.

I am sure that you will believe me when I mention that I have the upmost respect for the historical value of military surplus and consider the curatorial needs of such artifacts as a definite sign of respect and admiration for our veterans and all those who sacrificed so much in order to ensure that I would live free, able to use tongue-in-cheek humour to pass the time between two coats of BLO on a 1915 No1 Mk3* forend.

Respectfully yours,

Pou, The, Lou

;)
 
BTW for what its worth, the ati set up sucks & blows at the same time, especially if you use the bolt handle modification. I saw one mounted on an otherwise pristine 1955 Polish m44 & its pure crap IMHO.
 
I do always appreciate when the modifications are non-permanent. However, they still seem in bad taste. Once you have all the tactical mods you might as well buy a sporting rifle. And then of course the parts you took off to do the mods get lost and there are no replacements around... then you got a more permanent sporter.

It's funny that folks complain about bubba modifying all sorts of Lee Enfields when they were cheap and plentiful, and now for a moment it seems that there are more mosin nagants than you could shake a stick at; but some day they will be rare and we will be lamenting those who bought cheap mosins for hunting rifles and did all sorts of additions and subtractions.

I hope this little rant shines a tactical flashlight on my point of view.


louthepou said:
Ottawa, September 4th 2008

Object: Feared Bubba'ed Mosin-Nagant M44

Dear Mr. Skirsons,

I recently read your post in which you expressed your dissatisfaction with the sadly too common Bubbafication of military surplus rifles.

You will be glad to learn that the Russian rifle I was referring too in a post preceeding yours (dated September 4th at noon, proof that I was taking full advantage of my luch hour to indulge in some well-deserved firearms-related leisure), is in no way permanently modified. I would even go as far as stating that it is not worthy of being qualified as "Bubba'ed".

When I prepared that rifle with the admitted intention of taking it out this fall for some deer hunting, I carefully used a punch to remove the rear sight leaf pin (or, as the British would say, the "pin, leaf, sight, rear" or something weird like that, but this ain't a Lee Enfield so God knows why I'm even mentioning it), then removed the rear sight leaf, placed both the leaf and the pin in a Ziploc bag, and placed these precious parts in a box under my workbench.

Thus, the scope mount (which, I reiterate, is of the "cheap" variety, since this is a rifle for a hunter on a tight budget) can be removed at any time and the rifle returned to its full military, historically-accurate status, with little effort.

I am sure that you will believe me when I mention that I have the upmost respect for the historical value of military surplus and consider the curatorial needs of such artifacts as a definite sign of respect and admiration for our veterans and all those who sacrificed so much in order to ensure that I would live free, able to use tongue-in-cheek humour to pass the time between two coats of BLO on a 1915 No1 Mk3* forend.

Respectfully yours,

Pou, The, Lou

;)
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skirsons said:
I hope this little rant shines a tactical flashlight on my point of view.
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tactical flashlight!! Thanks for the idea, easy to mount i'll just mount a rail with some wood screws, maybe bedline spray it at the same time to get rid of that old school look.
thx for hyjacking my thread y'all
 
Hey Matty, I don't think it's hijacked. We may digress a little (or a lot...), but we still are sharing opinions (ok maybe not precise advices but oh well) about your project.

Here's one quick tip though. There is a point at which, when modifying a mildurp rifle, it kind of leaves the realm of milsurps and lands in the world of Hunting and Sporting arms. There is a section about that world in this forum too. So don't be surprised if in the Milsurp section you get advices, information and, yes, diverse opinions, about the historical aspect or your rifle (and the impact on it of modifications). If, like me, you swim in one world and occasionally dip a toe in the other, you'll enjoy posting and reading in both section frequently. And spend lots of time in front of your computer screen!

Cheers

Lou
 
matty86suk said:
tactical flashlight!! Thanks for the idea, easy to mount i'll just mount a rail with some wood screws, maybe bedline spray it at the same time to get rid of that old school look.
thx for hyjacking my thread y'all
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Sorry about that. At least if it were in the Sporting Rifles forum, I would never see it and no feelings would be hurt.
 
skirsons said:
Sorry about that. At least if it were in the Sporting Rifles forum, I would never see it and no feelings would be hurt.
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I got pretty thick skin, so don't worry about my feelings. I orginally posted this in red rifles not knowing better, I think sporting rifles would be a stretch. The point of this thread was for avid mosin shooters to fill me in on what to expect from this rifle, maintance, better performance etc...I don't care if the numbers match or if the bore is counter bored, i just want a straight reliable shooter. So if you have any useful information let me know

matty
 
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