Mosin Original WW2 Dated Matching Sniper Rifles for SALE!

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Milsurp collectors and shooters;

Not sure if you have seen the Wolverine post yesterday but he has 6 Mosin snipers, all matching, original for sale at $1119. The scope matches the serial number on the rifle - yes you read right.
They do exist. R guns and ATI in the USofA have had them for awhile. They charge about $800 USD and up for them.
If you try and buy from the US and import them it will cost you much more than what Wolverine is charging. So his price is very fair.

There is lots of info on the US ones online. The reviews are good. They are the real McCoy that have been refurbished and in long term storage up till now.
For me the fact that a Mosin rifle can be had for as low as $150 does not mean paying 8x for these is unreasonable. How many WW2 original snipers with matching scope are available out there? Matching Enfield T's are going for almost 10x the price of an Enfield. Sure you could get a repro Mosin for half the price of these originals, but would you pay half the price for a repro Enfield T? I doubt it. I really think the price of $1119 is fair.

However the US dealer imports have these terrible import stamps. Right on the reciever. For me - this kills it. Some would disagree and I don't judge their thoughts on it. Personal preference. Likely the buyers out there are divided 50/50 on it.

However with all the Mosin fans in this country, and with all the Canadian dealers selling Mosins - why can't someone here get them directly from the source (Ukraine I think). No import stamp. Clean!

I think they can, they just probably think they could not sell enough to make it worthwile. At a price they make money. They have to make money. We all make money in our jobs so don't deny them the same.

How about we start the conversation on this. Remembering that the dealers are reading this.

Who would support a Canadian dealer getting these, even though they might cost double what a repro would sell for?

My hand is up.

Comrades?
 
Cash is a little tight right now or i would buy one on general principal. Why do we have to get them from the states with their damned inport marks? Cant we get then from the same source without them going to the US first?
 
It's probably realistic too import them directly to Canada, I imagine it's finding the originating source that's the problem.

The information Ive read it that all the snipers were refurbed, scopes refurbed and stored separately. So someone has had to go hunting for the right scope and rifle, a costly hunt. When you consider how many ex-sniper have already been exported. That much harder to find a match.
 
Just saw a new post by North Sylva...they appear to have sniper rifles (scope serial number on receiver, CH marking) with what they claim are original "non-matching" scopes for $599.
For an almost perfect specimen (matching scope would be perfect of course) that's a fantastic price. Almost too good to be true.
 
I'd be very interested. But (a.) Moneys tight and (b.) The import marks would bother me and wouldn't consider it a stamp of the "long journey" they've taken. They are also refurbished - as I'm sure the grand majority have been. The price isn't outrageous - but it is too high for me.
 
ciphery said:
Well I don't see the logic.
1) The U.S. Dollar is worthless to the looney.
2) Why are the U.S. Guns cheaper @ $800 while ours are $1119?
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An $800 rifle at retail i nthe US is a $600 rifle at wholesale. Our dealers pay wholesale.

So in effect they are saying it costs $550 to bring in the rifle and make some profit.

When they import many rifles at once, the import cost per unit drops considerably - the rest, well, it's justified... right? ;)
 
ATI is so huge they can probably order a thousand of those rifles and get a deal at $600 each, and so they sell em for $800.
There is a cost to import things. Shipping, insurance, cost to run a business. ATI likely did not give Wolverine a deal for just 6.
With 1/10th the population we are never going to have a company run the numbers like the large American ones. So though the loonie is at par, its likely a case of more demand, larger market. The same thing for TVs, electronics, even cars. Things are cheaper in the US of A because they have more people and there is stiffer competition amongst retailers and dealers.
The best case scenario is that a Canadian dealer puts a large order with whoever is selling these in the Ukraine. Thus getting a decent price (say $650). Then they can actually charge us $900 and make it worthwhile.
But I think a lot of dealers think Mosin buyers are cheapskates and won't pay that for an original sniper. I think we are a bit spoiled by the cheap non-sniper rifles. If you put it into perspective like Enfields and Enfield snipers you can see that the price, anywhere near $1000 - is very fair.
Think about it. A World War Two sniper rifle with its scope? A sniper rifle that was well renowned, saw a long service, and helped win the war? Snipers did not sit back at base camp - in the rear with the gear. These guys USED their rifles. Any sniper rifle, war dated, is tops in my books. Having the scope that went with it - unbelievable.
I would gladly plunk down $1119 for that rifle if it was not for the darn company import stamp. It truly sucks that American companies have to do that to such rare rifles.
 
sledge said:
ATI is so huge they can probably order a thousand of those rifles and get a deal at $600 each, and so they sell em for $800.
There is a cost to import things. Shipping, insurance, cost to run a business. ATI likely did not give Wolverine a deal for just 6.
With 1/10th the population we are never going to have a company run the numbers like the large American ones. So though the loonie is at par, its likely a case of more demand, larger market. The same thing for TVs, electronics, even cars. Things are cheaper in the US of A because they have more people and there is stiffer competition amongst retailers and dealers.
The best case scenario is that a Canadian dealer puts a large order with whoever is selling these in the Ukraine. Thus getting a decent price (say $650). Then they can actually charge us $900 and make it worthwhile.
But I think a lot of dealers think Mosin buyers are cheapskates and won't pay that for an original sniper. I think we are a bit spoiled by the cheap non-sniper rifles. If you put it into perspective like Enfields and Enfield snipers you can see that the price, anywhere near $1000 - is very fair.
Think about it. A World War Two sniper rifle with its scope? A sniper rifle that was well renowned, saw a long service, and helped win the war? Snipers did not sit back at base camp - in the rear with the gear. These guys USED their rifles. Any sniper rifle, war dated, is tops in my books. Having the scope that went with it - unbelievable.
I would gladly plunk down $1119 for that rifle if it was not for the darn company import stamp. It truly sucks that American companies have to do that to such rare rifles.
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I too would pay $1119 if they were "clean". No argument there. But they aren't ;)

As for ATI pricing, they are a distributor and their stockign dealers are selling them for $800. Their dealer costs are something less than that.

Just sayin'... North Sylva seems to be able to get these same rifles, also ATI imports, and sell them for under $600 each. 'nuff said.
 
as Russia had a refurb program after the war ,I find it hard to believe they are all original with matching scopes for only $1119.00 I expect there restamped.
 
Really starting to see some interesting milsurp enter the field lately. These 91/30 sniper rifles as well as a few nice looking k98 rifles.
 
gaff said:
as Russia had a refurb program after the war ,I find it hard to believe they are all original with matching scopes for only $1119.00 I expect there restamped.
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Many parts are restamped, many are not. How original you get depends on luck. I had a 44 tula that other than a fresh coat of shellac was as issued in 44.
 
This is now making my head spin.
Wolverine has the real McCoy but import stamps. SFRC has the ones from North Sylva but not a lot of info on the condition or the authenticity of the "original" scopes. Now Tradex has them on their site and they say they are in refurbished V-good condition but they have a line "#'s on original scopes match sniper markings on receiver" that is a bit confusing. Is this a matching scope to receiver? Or is it sniper markings on receiver (CH mark, a scope serial number on left side of receiver)?
 
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