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hey guys. posted this over in milsurp didnt see the redrifles page till after so ill share over here too.

i recently just snagged a mosin EX PEM! according to a few of the guys on her these are very rare with only 1 or 2 being known between canada and the states. when i got it i originally had plans to restore it however now i dont even know what im going to do with it. ive been cleaning the bore andf pulling more and more storage gunk out of it. she shoots and honestly i want to take her to the range with a can of silver tip to see how well she shoots.

http://imgur.com/a/KhgAE

there's the link to Imgur for the pics the previous owner took. only thing that has changed is an original sling so untill i get the bore nice and clean i wont bother adding to its pics. what do you guys think?
 
Congrats!!!

Not to burst your bubble but there are a few more EX-PEM rifles out there than you thought. Don't get me wrong, any EX-Sniper is less common than a standard 91/30 and many shoot better and have better finishing than standard rifles. From my humble experience, you usually see an EX-PU rifle every 10-30 rifles. However, EX-PEM rifles are less common - I've only come across two (one that was plugged and one that was un-plugged and could be readily restored). It is these later rifles that are not just rare but extremely rare (probably less than a dozen documented in Canada and the US). Restoring a plugged ex-sniper would be challenging. Restoring a rifle that is unplugged with threads is still a great challenge. Original PEM scopes can be found ($500-2500 depending on rarity/condition) but original mounts are almost impossible to be found and cost 1K+ (Similar to original SVT scope mounts).

One thing I have not seen is an EX-PE rifle - perhaps because the holes would be under the stock line and not seen easily with the bolt open.
 
thealchemist said:
Congrats!!!

Not to burst your bubble but there are a few more EX-PEM rifles out there than you thought. Don't get me wrong, any EX-Sniper is less common than a standard 91/30 and many shoot better and have better finishing than standard rifles. From my humble experience, you usually see an EX-PU rifle every 10-30 rifles. However, EX-PEM rifles are less common - I've only come across two (one that was plugged and one that was un-plugged and could be readily restored). It is these later rifles that are not just rare but extremely rare (probably less than a dozen documented in Canada and the US). Restoring a plugged ex-sniper would be challenging. Restoring a rifle that is unplugged with threads is still a great challenge. Original PEM scopes can be found ($500-2500 depending on rarity/condition) but original mounts are almost impossible to be found and cost 1K+ (Similar to original SVT scope mounts).

One thing I have not seen is an EX-PE rifle - perhaps because the holes would be under the stock line and not seen easily with the bolt open.
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If you look at the photo you can see it's not just an Ex-PEM, it's a 1942 Ex-PEM. Low production and rare. Vic Thomas from gunboards has an article where he states only one 1942 is known to exist to all US collections.

edit: Looks like the article is outdated. It's still quite a rare 91/30 but a few more have surfaced.
 
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Thing is in early 42 Tula went to the PU so if memory serves me right about 7-8000 were made..............Harold
 
thealchemist said:
Original PEM scopes can be found ($500-2500 depending on rarity/condition) but original mounts are almost impossible to be found and cost 1K+ (Similar to original SVT scope mounts).
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I wouldn't say that PEM mounts are such extremely rare. They are definetely more common than SVT mounts. I can remeber 4 or 5 of them at Ebay since beginning of year. At least I had 3 of them and only one SVT mount :) But Izhevsk mounts are more rare than Tula mounts, and their construction is different from Tula, they had additional locking screw at the front ring
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Besides, rifle is quite interesting by the fact that according to scope number at the barrel, originally it had 1937 PEM scope! All that Izhevsk side rail snipers that know, had 39-40 scopes (which is logically, because after production of PEM rifles was stoped at the middle of 1940, late date scopes were located at stocks)

PEM rifles production in 1942 was 31689 by Izhevsk and 6811 by Tula. As you see, production quantity is not so low, so they are not very rare. 1942 Izhevsk PU snipers (with 12728 produced) are even more rare then PEM snopers
 
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As well the base mt on Tula's were not pinned like the Ishy's or so I've read? There are absolutely no absolutes when rifles were put together under war conditions.Always exceptions.Mine has the CH stamp.Are your numbers for PEM production or PU as well for that year?I think the Tula 42 changed to PU scopes in the first few months of that year? When the planets are aligned and I wear my glasses I have cut 3/4" groups at 100 yards with irons and PRC ball.Never over 2".......love the history and think about where the rifle was used ...Harold
 
mbogo3 said:
As well the base mt on Tula's were not pinned like the Ishy's or so I've read? There are absolutely no absolutes when rifles were put together under war conditions.Always exceptions.Mine has the CH stamp.Are your numbers for PEM production or PU as well for that year?I think the Tula 42 changed to PU scopes in the first few months of that year?
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Tula and Izhevsk bases have different spacing between screws, also Tula did bot drilled pin holse through all receiver wall thickness, pin holes are blind.

Both factories switched to PU in autumn, 1942. Besides, 1940 and ealier rifles marked with star (Tula) and 1942 and later rifles were produced by different factories. 1942 and later rifles were produced by newly created factory (old was evacuated in 1941, and produced SVT's), which started production in February
 
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