Mossberg MVP Patrol Review (wPix)

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Guys just a heads up - this is my first review,

My background: 9.5yrs with 2BN of The Royal Canadian Regiment. I have spent five years on the precision shooting team. After leaving the forces I have been active in IPSC, IDPA, F-class, Mil-skills, and an avid hunter (big game, varmint). I have won my share of cadodies over the years, but try to learn more everyday and enjoy trying out new equipment and techniques.


Recently I have been looking for a short length, light to moderate weight, with what I consider combat ready accuracy (1.25 MOA) for hunting varmints within my area.

I reviewed Mossberg, Remington, and Savage rifles that fit that need, however upon seeing the MVP I was curious if they could have created something worth a serious look. I researched different models on the net forums and you tube. The added interest was gained from the MVPs line ability to take standard AR mags. Their price point was more attractive then competing rifles, so I parted my wallet and shelled out $680ish taxes in after seeing the MVP Patrol.

The patrol I purchased is the lightening trigger group, 16.5" barrel, synthetic stock, threaded barrel equipped with a bird cage flash suppressor, and picatinny rail. It's light weight, looks decent, and I mounted a Nikon P223 4x12 with 600 BDC reticle using Weaver grand slam 1" rings, and harris bipod. The trigger felt crisp with no creep, in my opinion I felt it is set around the 3lbs range from the factory.

See link below -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5pGgLIMihTYa2FvQVdESzJjRnc/view?usp=sharing

I was excited to get out on the range and see what accuracy I could get from the rifle.

I went out to our small town range, which is equipped with 35 yard, 100 yard, and 200 yard firing points. I start zero with relatively the same as if I'm hunting, Harris bi-pod off a bench, free into the shoulder- no bags. I usually finalize once I find an ammo it likes by trying my sitting bench used for hunting and different real life shooting positions, to see if I have much of a difference in zero.

Day 1
Well set up zero target at 35y and another on the 100y. I had three different rounds to try; 55 grn bulk norinco ammo, 55 grn winchester target, and 62 grn ball 855 ammo.
I loaded up the Mossberg supplied magazine with the 62grn ball and ran a three round group, adjusted scope, then loaded second mag with cheap Norinco ammo and fired the first 4 rounds. With the second mag I had alot of issues cycling the bolt on the last (5th) round I had a fail to fire. The firing pin didn't depress completely upon squeezing the trigger, it was immediately obvious upon inspection. After trying to free the action up I had to pull pin, and go back to the house to use tools I didn't have with me to disassemble the bolt. My first thoughts were the trigger and possible sear, or an obstruction/malfunction within the bolt.

I got back to the house, started to review youtube vids on other people and what they experienced. I stripped the bolt and inspected the parts and inside, but found no obvious issue. The workmanship of the firing pin is a little rough, I cleaned up noticeable burrs. Reassembled and dry fired and surprise all good.

Day 2
Well wanted to see if I could find out if the problem was just a one off or if something else was creating an issue. Set up again, 35y and 100y, then loaded up with another mag of Norinco 55grn and the same issue happened again. Problems cycling, and after a couple of shots, the bolt failed to fire. Firing pin hung up. I brought all my tools with so disassembled again although I didn't really see any issues, no debris, or particle residue. I wondered if the ammo was the culprit so loaded up 855 62grn again and cycling was no longer an issue, moved over to 55 grn winchester target and no problems. I again went back to try the Norc ammo and immediately had issues. Bottom line, don't fire Norc ammo with this line of rifle.

The grouping were nothing to impress, I have yet to see it group anywhere near MOA, or 1.25. It's more of a 2 MOA with the ammo I have used so far.

Here are a couple of targets the nicer of course is at 35yrds:
35y target

100y target

ammo

Conclusion is to be determined after another range day. I want to run 2-3 variants of factory ammo through it and see what it likes. I still notice slight issues cycling with RRA pistol mags, even when loaded with five rounds. The mossberg supplied AR mag functions flawless through the rifle. I will post once I have completed it. In the mean time, I'm cleaning as per new rifle protocols and look forward to another day of testing and setup.

SJV
 
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Did your groups tighten up with different ammo?

I have the MVP in .308 and have read other reports of the .308 being a 1.5 to 2MOA gun while some people report the .223 MVP being sub-MOA. I haven't fired mine yet(Been busy every weekend for a couple of months) but hope to get it out to the range or bush soon...


Guys just a heads up - this is my first review,

My background: 9.5yrs with 2BN of The Royal Canadian Regiment. I have spent five years on the precision shooting team. After leaving the forces I have been active in IPSC, IDPA, F-class, Mil-skills, and an avid hunter (big game, varmint). I have won my share of cadodies over the years, but try to learn more everyday and enjoy trying out new equipment and techniques.


Recently I have been looking for a short length, light to moderate weight, with what I consider combat ready accuracy (1.25 MOA) for hunting varmints within my area.

I reviewed Mossberg, Remington, and Savage rifles that fit that need, however upon seeing the MVP I was curious if they could have created something worth a serious look. I researched different models on the net forums and you tube. The added interest was gained from the MVPs line ability to take standard AR mags. Their price point was more attractive then competing rifles, so I parted my wallet and shelled out $680ish taxes in after seeing the MVP Patrol.

The patrol I purchased is the lightening trigger group, 16.5" barrel, synthetic stock, threaded barrel equipped with a bird cage flash suppressor, and picatinny rail. It's light weight, looks decent, and I mounted a Nikon P223 4x12 with 600 BDC reticle using Weaver grand slam 1" rings, and harris bipod. The trigger felt crisp with no creep, in my opinion I felt it is set around the 3lbs range from the factory.

See link below -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5pGgLIMihTYa2FvQVdESzJjRnc/view?usp=sharing

I was excited to get out on the range and see what accuracy I could get from the rifle.

I went out to our small town range, which is equipped with 35 yard, 100 yard, and 200 yard firing points. I start zero with relatively the same as if I'm hunting, Harris bi-pod off a bench, free into the shoulder- no bags. I usually finalize once I find an ammo it likes by trying my sitting bench used for hunting and different real life shooting positions, to see if I have much of a difference in zero.

Day 1
Well set up zero target at 35y and another on the 100y. I had three different rounds to try; 55 grn bulk norinco ammo, 55 grn winchester target, and 62 grn ball 855 ammo.
I loaded up the Mossberg supplied magazine with the 62grn ball and ran a three round group, adjusted scope, then loaded second mag with cheap Norinco ammo and fired the first 4 rounds. With the second mag I had alot of issues cycling the bolt on the last (5th) round I had a fail to fire. The firing pin didn't depress completely upon squeezing the trigger, it was immediately obvious upon inspection. After trying to free the action up I had to pull pin, and go back to the house to use tools I didn't have with me to disassemble the bolt. My first thoughts were the trigger and possible sear, or an obstruction/malfunction within the bolt.

I got back to the house, started to review youtube vids on other people and what they experienced. I stripped the bolt and inspected the parts and inside, but found no obvious issue. The workmanship of the firing pin is a little rough, I cleaned up noticeable burrs. Reassembled and dry fired and surprise all good.

Day 2
Well wanted to see if I could find out if the problem was just a one off or if something else was creating an issue. Set up again, 35y and 100y, then loaded up with another mag of Norinco 55grn and the same issue happened again. Problems cycling, and after a couple of shots, the bolt failed to fire. Firing pin hung up. I brought all my tools with so disassembled again although I didn't really see any issues, no debris, or particle residue. I wondered if the ammo was the culprit so loaded up 855 62grn again and cycling was no longer an issue, moved over to 55 grn winchester target and no problems. I again went back to try the Norc ammo and immediately had issues. Bottom line, don't fire Norc ammo with this line of rifle.

The grouping were nothing to impress, I have yet to see it group anywhere near MOA, or 1.25. It's more of a 2 MOA with the ammo I have used so far.

Here are a couple of targets the nicer of course is at 35yrds:
35y target

100y target

ammo

Conclusion is to be determined after another range day. I want to run 2-3 variants of factory ammo through it and see what it likes. I still notice slight issues cycling with RRA pistol mags, even when loaded with five rounds. The mossberg supplied AR mag functions flawless through the rifle. I will post once I have completed it. In the mean time, I'm cleaning as per new rifle protocols and look forward to another day of testing and setup.

SJV
 
Did your groups tighten up with different ammo?

I have the MVP in .308 and have read other reports of the .308 being a 1.5 to 2MOA gun while some people report the .223 MVP being sub-MOA. I haven't fired mine yet(Been busy every weekend for a couple of months) but hope to get it out to the range or bush soon...

Well my MVP patrol 308 I would say is capable of being sub moa. With my crappy shooting if you don't count the ones that were obvious my shooter error my groups were easily moa. With a proper shooting sled and a competent shooter they could shoot great groups. I look forward to shooting my new mvp patrol 308 and getting to be a better shooter
 
I was going to say that the Norinco, being milsurp, would usually have harder primers and you might be suffering from light strikes, but as the Mossberg MVP is
supposedly designed to use 5.56x45 military ammo light primer strikes should not be an issue. I use norinco milsurp in my Browning X-Bolt and I too have the
occasional misfire and when examining the primers on spent cases (on milsurp and commercial loads) it's easy to see that Norinco primers are much harder, so
I put down any misfires to an extra hard Chinese primer.
If your feeding problems only occur while using non OEM mags, then I think the solution to that problem is fairly obvious. Personally, I gave up on Mossberg
after having two shotgun barrels where the front bead sight wasn't where it ought to be - which is pretty much akin to a auto manufacturer mounting the steering
column in the wrong place - in my books, if they can't get that right they shouldn't be in the business.
 
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Appreciate you taking the time to review.

I was interested int the MVP, however after many reviews with various problems I lost interest and will look at something else for this role.
 
very interesting write up.
thank you for taking the time to let us all know how the gun is running for you.

my dad and myself picked this summer to make up some bolt action 223 guns for some gopher shooting (and to see who can shoot tighter groups on paper)
he was stuck between getting the MVP and Remmy 700, he like you was leaning towards the MVP for the AR mags.
in the end there was just too many bad reviews of the MVP that he was too leery about getting one.
he ended up going with the Weatherby Vanguard (Howa 1500) and i believe he replaced the internal box mag with the external box mag kit and replaced the stock with a Boyd. i havnt seen his gun yet but ive seen pics and he really likes it.

i myself was stuck between the MVP and the new Ruger offering in either the Ranch of the Predator.
at the end of the day i went with the Ruger as ive had good luck with them, i was going to pull the trigger on the Ranch but decided for the extra barrel length and got the Predator instead.
i have yet to pick up Glass for it or a comp so im behind on my spring project, but hope to get it rolling here once holidays start in a couple weeks.

im looking forward to your updates on this gun to see if you can find some ammo that it likes and if you can get it running smooth.
i have that little nagging voice in the back of my head telling me that i should still pick up a MVP just because once can never have too many 223 bolt guns right?
 
Thanks gents,

To answer Q and A: During my service we were the basic course that transitioned from FN C1A1 to C7s.

Just a little update;

The bulk Norc ammo had similar issues with my Savage BVSS, especially that the odd round would have an almost blowback situation, where the firing pin would make a slightly larger hole and it would make an unusually loud/odd firing sound. Needless to say I restricted that ammo for my AR only.

I also had a moment as I was going through ammo test that I needed to go back and tighten the picatinny base as it wiggled loose. I put a bit of lock tite on the screws and buttoned everything down.

I had to strip and clean both the Savage and mossberg when getting the odd firing round. The mossberg would jam up with debris that would stop the firing pin from moving on follow up rounds. No other factory ammo has had an issue, I have test fired more IVI, Hornady, Remington, wolf, etc....
I have gone through 40 grain to 77 grain. Thus far the best group I have achieved was .6 MOA @ 104 yards with Nosler 60 grn match ammo. It has run Hornady 55 grn Vmax very well with very similar results.

Only other issue is feeding, some AR mags 20/10 round RRA pistol Mags need to brace the mag with my thumb from rear while cycling as it can have issues, but the mossberg factory 5 round, and 30/5 round mags function without issue.

Overall I am happy with this rifle, it fits my desire to have a short barrel, AR mag loading varmint rifle that is ideal for bush/ prairie hunting with better than expected accuracy.

Sorry for delay, I have relocated to the east coast for the summer.

Regards,

SJV
 
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Appreciate you taking the time to review.

I was interested int the MVP, however after many reviews with various problems I lost interest and will look at something else for this role.

I was seriously looking at the MVP as well but the new bolt design, and plastic back up sights decided on the Savage Hog Hunter.

But I still like the concept of the MVP for a compliment to a AR rifle.

Try different rounds, I found the 75 grain Hornadys pretty good but with the 1 in 9 twist found even lighter bullets worked well.

Here is a 300 yard group shot by an ex-military friend with my Savage, the group will tightened once we get everything figured out with the ammo.
 
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