Most Accurate 9mm for Production- Your Opinion please

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Considering a new production gun for IPSC.
9mm
Accuracy is the key variable I am considering.
Currently shooting a CZ 75 sp-01, great gun, reasonable accuracy and very fast follow up shots.
Looking to consider an even more accurate gun....thoughts?
 
The Tanfoglio Stock IIs and IIIs have excellent accuracy. Especially the IIs and Xtremes with the polygonal rifling.
The longer barrel ones (Stock III and Aussie Stock IIs) make it even more so with a longer sight radius.

Gotta say, though - In the major brands represented in IPSC production; S&W, CZ, Tanfoglio, Glock, Sig, etc. - I've never seen one that wasn't accurate enough for the demands of IPSC competition.
 
My Stock 2 is by far the most mechanically accurate production gun I have used.
Regardless of brand of bullet, it makes a ragged hole when benched.
It sucks as it has taken away all my excuses for crappy hits on target.

Only other guns I've used are shadow and glock 17.
 
Just curious, how do you think more accuracy would help?

I find that given the large size of the "A" zone, good-enough competition accuracy (for full points) is more a factor of pistol control when trying to optimize time, rather than inherent accuracy limitations of the pistol.
 
Up close, no difference.
At distance, if your gun is grouping lest say 3-4 inches, that means even with a dead on aim, your bullet may go an inch or two off your intended point of aim.

If you pull your shot but sights are still on the edge of a steel plate, an accurate gun will still get the hit.
a shotgun pattern producing gun, you may miss.

not a huge factor overall, but every little bit counts.
 
Accuracy IS speed. An A zone is 6" wide, If your gun will group 6" at 20 for example. You need to hold exactly in the Center to get an A. If your gun will group 2" at the same distance you no longer have to wait for the sights to hit the exact Center, you can fire the shots when the sights are reasonably inside the A zone. Which is faster?
 
I love my CZ and at 15 yards and under I can blaze away and get great hits, as I get out to 20-25 yards, the group is getting pretty wide. I have not had the opportunity to shoot it at 35 and 50 yards, but I am worried the results might be ugly.
The question isn't really about best IPSC gun, for production, but really of the production legal guns, which is the most accurate. I am genuinely interested in your opinion.
 
Shadow division. Lot's of grip options for the Shadow. Less recoil than glock. When the Shadow 2 enters the market, you can pick up a used shadow ( Maybe).
All A's Brother.
 
PapaHotel01 said:
Accuracy IS speed. An A zone is 6" wide, If your gun will group 6" at 20 for example. You need to hold exactly in the Center to get an A. If your gun will group 2" at the same distance you no longer have to wait for the sights to hit the exact Center, you can fire the shots when the sights are reasonably inside the A zone. Which is faster?
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Oh Hi Pat...good to see another SGC member on here. I think most CZ Shadows will group quite a bit better than 6" at 20 yards...so given reasonable accuracy (e.g. with a non-defective CZ) I would think that aiming and recoil under time pressure would have more effect on score than a more accurate pistol.

Now I'm not saying that there is no benefit, I'm just saying that the benefit is likely to be marginal. That said, I haven't Ransom rested my CZ to see how it groups at 35-50 yards...now I'm curious.
 
Safeside said:
I love my CZ and at 15 yards and under I can blaze away and get great hits, as I get out to 20-25 yards, the group is getting pretty wide. I have not had the opportunity to shoot it at 35 and 50 yards, but I am worried the results might be ugly.
The question isn't really about best IPSC gun, for production, but really of the production legal guns, which is the most accurate. I am genuinely interested in your opinion.
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If you are missing at 25 yards with a CZ Shadow or Stock 11, you will be missing with an Olympic Free Pistol. The gun in most cases is not the issue. It is the shooter. No gun will compensate for my average abilities....none. That is the reason why the shooter gets to hold the trophy not the gun. Your quest is pretty subjective.

Take Care

Bob
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Gotta say, though - In the major brands represented in IPSC production; S&W, CZ, Tanfoglio, Glock, Sig, etc. - I've never seen one that wasn't accurate enough for the demands of IPSC competition.
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Agree somewhat strongly.

I think that across the Production-legal spectrum you will be hard pressed to find a gun that you can honestly out-shoot. The real, measurable differences in mechanical accuracy will be negligible. Sights and ammunition, both of which are tunable parameters, are the larger variables.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
The Tanfoglio Stock IIs and IIIs have excellent accuracy. Especially the IIs and Xtremes with the polygonal rifling.
The longer barrel ones (Stock III and Aussie Stock IIs) make it even more so with a longer sight radius.

Gotta say, though - In the major brands represented in IPSC production; S&W, CZ, Tanfoglio, Glock, Sig, etc. - I've never seen one that wasn't accurate enough for the demands of IPSC competition.
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Are the newer polygonal barrels available if I wanted to put one in an older stock 3?

Sadly, I've tweaked my loads with my stock 3 and the best I can get is 3-4" or so at 25y off a bench.
 
Great conversation. As usual it wanders, but into so pretty great stuff. I am delighted to hear that the consensus is that for the most part, accuracy isn't going to drastically improved with the gun, within production. At 25 yards my groups are 4 maybe 4.5 inches, taking my time. So assuming angular messurements at 35 and 50 yards even with unlimited time, probably can't shoot all A's.
That being the case going back to my load and seeing if I can tune that further. I am currently shooting 147gn Campro over titegroup. Anyone have suggestions 124 vs 147 for accuracy, a better powder at PF plus insurance of 10%. You don't have to give me your load, I will work it up, but suggestions would be great if someone has a tight grouping load through a shadow.
 
Almost all shots are 20 yards or less. Rarely you may have a big popper out at 50 yards. Just about any pistol will have suitable accuracy for these targets at those distances.
 
Safeside said:
Great conversation. As usual it wanders, but into so pretty great stuff. I am delighted to hear that the consensus is that for the most part, accuracy isn't going to drastically improved with the gun, within production. At 25 yards my groups are 4 maybe 4.5 inches, taking my time. So assuming angular messurements at 35 and 50 yards even with unlimited time, probably can't shoot all A's.
That being the case going back to my load and seeing if I can tune that further. I am currently shooting 147gn Campro over titegroup. Anyone have suggestions 124 vs 147 for accuracy, a better powder at PF plus insurance of 10%. You don't have to give me your load, I will work it up, but suggestions would be great if someone has a tight grouping load through a shadow.
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I'm using 124 grain Campro HP over 4.0 grains of VV N320. The last time I crono'd the load it was hitting 130 PF. From this thread I'm wondering if it is an optimal load in terms of accuracy and am tempted to do some load testing/development.

In the past I have been more concerned with hitting Min PF over achieving the most accurate load. In my experience with my standard load (as above), my Shadow is not the limiting factor in my scoring....at any range.
 
To the OP's original question the most accurate production gun I have ever owned is my Australian length Stock 2. I have even shot it many times at the 50m range with mostly alphas unsupported and taking my time. Like Sean said the rifling and length help and I believe the bull barrel might as well. This isn't to say you will do any better with a Stock 2 over a Shadow in IPSC matches though.
 
My Tanfoglio Stock lll Extreme is one accurate 9mm, i can actually affirm that this pistol is on par with my Les Baer Premier ll 45 ACP for accuracy... JP.
 
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