Most versatile first rifle?

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I need help finding the best low-budget rifle for both hunting and range shooting. I plan to stick to one rifle for the foreseeable future (or so I think...).

So far, I'm looking at:
Norinco CQ-A: Forget hunting, I'm too much in love with the AR-15 platform.
Norinco M305: Would be a great range gun, but maybe a bit too heavy for hunting? Also, most expensive choice.
Savage Axis: Would be the most accurate option, but then it would just go to waste, since I don't have access to a 1000 yard range.
Mosin-Nagant: Super cheap. Bolt action; wouldn't be too fun at a range. No lead-free bullets.
SKS: Also super cheap. Intermediate cartridge. No lead-free bullets.

Is there something better out there that I'm missing?
 
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If we could only pick from your list, I would go SKS first and M305 next choice. Both are cheap enough to buy, reliable with surplus ammo and good enough for a woods gun/ hunting. Ammo for the 305 would be pricier.
Forget the rest. If you get the CQA, you will never stop accessorizing it and it will lead to a divorce!
The Mosin is fun for a while but if you just bench it, it gets boring after a while. Much better to take it for a walk. I would recommend the 38 or 44 as they are shorter and more maneuverable.
 
Thanks for replying.

You are right, the SKS seems like the most sensible choice. Maybe I should get both the Mosin and the SKS, since they're both so cheap. A big part of my attraction to firearms is the mechanical nature of it, so I quite like the idea of being able to manipulate a bolt action. I don't know how long the novelty of that would last, though.
 
The problem with Mosins is " You pays the money and ya git what ya git!" Some are decent to good shooters and can be quite accurate and others are just pieces of junk. I had a 91/30 that wouldn't even chamber ammo but worked fine and smooth with nothing loaded. My friend has one that jams up after every shot, can't hit paper and now his front sight has fallen off!
It's almost like all the good shooter Mosins have already been bought and what's left is literally the bottom of the barrel.
IMO, get the Savage chambered for .270. You have warranty, a modern rifle, good ammo, can hunt with, and you can play with the bolt to your heart's content. Together with the SKS, you'll have a nice combo.
Now I need my flame retardant suit coz the Mosin lovers will flame me!
PS I have a M38!
 
Here to flame you SA!!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding!

I would suggest the SKS. Get a nice one from Westrifle or Corwin Arms or Weimajack on the EE and you won't regret it. They're fun to blast with and ammo is pretty cheap.

As Still Alive says, Mosins are hit and miss. That said, if you get a good one they can be very accurate and are cheap to feed. Unfortunately, lots of them are junk, and you never really know until you start shooting... Looks aren't always the best indicator.

If I may suggest one other option to consider: a Swiss K31. They're amazingly accurate (like 1 MOA) and built incredibly well. The most recent batch is a little more expensive, but you won't regret it...
 
Phat Eagle said:
Here to flame you SA!!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding!

I would suggest the SKS. Get a nice one from Westrifle or Corwin Arms or Weimajack on the EE and you won't regret it. They're fun to blast and ammo is pretty cheap.

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:agree: but you don't really need to find a "nice" one. Just one that will let you shoot a lot.
 
I am going to go with the sks.

But going to assume that you are going to go over budget and recommend the Tavor or the xcr those will give you a mil-spec rifle and are both non restricted
 
Phat Eagle said:
Here to flame you SA!!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding!

I would suggest the SKS. Get a nice one from Westrifle or Corwin Arms or Weimajack on the EE and you won't regret it. They're fun to blast with and ammo is pretty cheap.

As Still Alive says, Mosins are hit and miss. That said, if you get a good one they can be very accurate and are cheap to feed. Unfortunately, lots of them are junk, and you never really know until you start shooting... Looks aren't always the best indicator.

If I may suggest one other option to consider: a Swiss K31. They're amazingly accurate (like 1 MOA) and built incredibly well. The most recent batch is a little more expensive, but you won't regret it...
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Hey, I DID recommend the SKS first! LOL! Contrary to popular opinion, I have some good taste left!
The K31 is a bit of an odd looking rifle but Swiss made! Can't go wrong there! Good recommendation PE!
 
I think it depends on a few things like what you hunt and how you hunt; also what type of range shooting you think you'd like. An SKS isn't a bad hunting rifle for medium game in dense bush but I'd hate to have to take a shot at over 100 yds. On the range I'd think an SKS could work if you just like making some noise and are comfortable with 4" groups. Ammo sure is cheap for them - and you get what you pay for.

On the other hand, the SKS won't grow with you very much. An Axis can be a fine hunting rifle at all reasonable ranges (depending on the type of cartridge). It can also be quite accurate at the range and is an adequate rifle to start learning about firearms and precision shooting - even in 223 the Axis is good for 50 - 600+ yards (once you get some experience I think you'll choose something different to reach out to 1,000 yards). Few semi autos can beat a bolt action for accuracy. You can also easily start tweaking the Axis for improved performance while there isn't much you can do that will improve an SKS. The downside is you'll want to budget for some glass.

Cheap ammo is available for both rifles (if we're talking an Axis in 223) but you'll get what you pay for. At least with the Axis, better ammo is available and you will see this in your shooting - the SKS...not so much.

I would steer away from the M305 unless you are willing to tweak and don't mind spending big bucks for ammo ($0.50 per bang for the cheap stuff, $2+ for the best stuff), or plan on reloading. Also think 9-10 lb rifle bare, 12+ lbs scoped - heavy if hunting.

From what I've heard, I'd go with the Axis. I think you'll enjoy it more and for longer.
 
another vote for the sks here. cheap to both buy and shoot. will introduce you to a good gun care regiment. a good learning tool.

also consider bolt action (rimfire possibly?) I just got one recently, and it's a fun change from semi auto or pump. :)
 
Thanks for the replies. A lot to think on.

While I love the idea of long-range shooting, it just doesn't seem to be an option for me, given where I live. One club has a 200 metre range, and the other has a 300 metre range. Both are like 1.5-2 hours from where I am. I can't imagine driving any further to shoot. Is it worth investing in an expensive tack driver for 2-300 metres? Would it be any fun? I would imagine that deer hunting in Ontario occurs at way shorter distances still. Also, isn't .223 pretty bad for hunting, especially considering my level of experience (that is, none)? Perhaps I'm mistaken.

At this point, I'm thinking of starting off with an SKS as a cheap multi-purpose bullet hose to cut my teeth on. Then, should I decide that I need more accuracy, a modern .308 bolt action. Maybe I'll end up deciding that hunting is not for me, at which point I'll go for an AR. Sound good? I'm still open to suggestions.
 
Get it all in 1 gun with the modern hunter....bit expensive but can do long range, hunt, and in .308 has plenty of stopping power in your AR style package. Buy one and be done.
 
If your on a budget, and depending what you want to hunt an SKS will work, but there are better choices available. I'd probably choose a Savage bolt action. They are good for hunting and target shooting in a lower priced gun.
 
I am a big fan of the sks. Especially at the range. However, to use it as a serious hunting rifle at and beyond 100 yds, you should be prepared to invest time and money into getting consistent accuracy from it to ensure that you do not wound game. At that point, it's got to be better than a "bullet hose" for blasting at the range.
This may include things like a trigger job, a peep sight or scope mounted, extending the stock. Some of theses, notably the sight upgrades, could set you back a few hundred. Now, the sks you get may have a good enough trigger, and shoot 4" or less groups with hunting ammo at 100 yds and you may be able shoot it with the stock sights. You'll only know that after you get into it.
Therefore, if you really want to do it with an SKS, be ready to do the practice and necessary mods required before you take it hunting. And, btw, I'd suggest a chinese military sks if you can find one. They tend to be pretty accurate for sks's.
If the range will be 100 yds or less, a tech sight is definitely worth getting for better low light shooting compared to the stock sights.
Overall, I can't disagree with your choice, because the practice you can get with the cheap ammo is invaluable for a new shooter, just remember the sks has some limitations as a hunting rifle that others don't.
 
Most versatile 1st rifle? A 22 LR.

Sorry, it's not "on your list" but I had to say it. It will be probably the easiest to aquire, give the most joy in shooting, be the most economical to shoot, and the most likely the one rifle you will keep coming back to as the years go by. A Ruger 10/22 is fun to shoot, cheap, and can be a money-pit if you want to start tricking it out. A nice Savage Mk II or even a CZ 455 will give lots of fun target shooting if that is your thing. None of these rifles will break the bank. All will be fun to shoot. And stockpiling several thousand rounds of 22LR won't be difficult or expensive. And it's the perfect rifle to hand over to a friend or girlfriend if they show interest in going to the range with you.

That said, if you are dead-set on getting a "real" rifle right off the bat, especially when you mention hunting, I would suggest a Savage 10/110 (depending on cartridge). It won't be too expensive, and will have the advantage of shooting a proper modern cartridge that will be easy to find on the shelves. It also will likely give you the least number of headaches when trying to get it into hunting form. That isn't something that can be said about most of the list you mentioned. I would suggest the Savage 10/110 in either 308 or 30-06 as a hunting rifle. Just put a nice piece of glass on it and you are golden.

If you really want a range-toy, the Norinco CQ-A would be my pick. It is 223, easy to shoot, cheap to shoot, and will be the most fun to customize. However, it will be restricted, so it will be a range-only toy.

You can use the M305, or the Mosin, or the SKS for hunting. But it will always be a bit of a compromise with weight, or ammo, or ability to mount optics, or just general gun grumpiness trying to get it to do stuff it doesn't want to do.
 
The SKS will limit you to not only about 100 yards, but also the game you can hunt. The 7.62 x 39 isn't anywhere near enough for anything larger than Bambi to that 100 yards. Isn't a hunting or target rifle either. More of a big kid's toy. Us big kids need our toys too.
An Axis in one of the .24, .25, .26 or .27 cartridges will do for deer and Bullwinkle in the larger of those(IE .270 Win). Isn't a target rifle either though.
The M305 is a hunt anything in North America rifle. (So is the Mosin, but that might have the accuracy and other issues mentioned.). Unless you ever get invited to one of the municipalities in Ontario with the daft calibre restriction. (.270 or .275 or under by cartridge name, depending on where.) Weight is not an issue since you'll likely be hunting out of a blind like most people. Still hunting takes a great deal of skill.
The Norinco CQ-A is restricted. No hunting with it at all.
 
I know you said rifle but have you considered a shotgun?

Remington 870 with the 3 barrel kit set me back around $550. With that I can hunt all legal game in north America. Rifled slug barrel for the big game. 28" waterfowl barrel for birds/ducks/geese, and the 22" turkey barrel is great (with different chokes) for turkeys, squirrels, rabbits, etc. Also blasting clays on the weekend is fun too!

Either that or go with the axis or the M305. If I can hunt with a Savage 10BA you can easily carry either of those.
 
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The SKS will limit you to not only about 100 yards, but also the game you can hunt. The 7.62 x 39 isn't anywhere near enough for anything larger than Bambi to that 100 yards. Isn't a hunting or target rifle either. More of a big kid's toy. Us big kids need our toys too.
An Axis in one of the .24, .25, .26 or .27 cartridges will do for deer and Bullwinkle in the larger of those(IE .270 Win). Isn't a target rifle either though.
The M305 is a hunt anything in North America rifle. (So is the Mosin, but that might have the accuracy and other issues mentioned.). Unless you ever get invited to one of the municipalities in Ontario with the daft calibre restriction. (.270 or .275 or under by cartridge name, depending on where.) Weight is not an issue since you'll likely be hunting out of a blind like most people. Still hunting takes a great deal of skill.
The Norinco CQ-A is restricted. No hunting with it at all.
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Of course, it goes without saying that 7.62x39mm is only good for deer at shorter ranges. I don't have any hunting experience, so I don't plan on hunting anything bigger, for now. As I understand it, I really should start out with small game, but it just doesn't interest me. What kind of distances can I expect in Ontario, anyway?

I've only really looked at .308 - are there any advantages to other cartridges like .270?

Quantis said:
I know you said rifle but have you considered a shotgun?

Remington 870 with the 3 barrel kit set me back around $550. With that I can hunt all legal game in north America. Rifled slug barrel for the big game. 28" waterfowl barrel for birds/ducks/geese, and the 22" turkey barrel is great (with different chokes) for turkeys, squirrels, rabbits, etc. Also blasting clays on the weekend is fun too!

Either that or go with the axis or the M305. If I can hunt with a Savage 10BA you can easily carry either of those.
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I did consider it earlier, but it just didn't grab me the same way as a rifle. I may very well end up with a shotgun though, who knows. Thanks for bringing it up.
 
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