Mounted shooter from Quebec

Yakxie

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Hi to all,
I intoduce myself,I live in a remote area 60 miles (100 Km) north of montreal.I am vintage firearms user's and a fan of cap and balls and blackpowder cartridges,and I do as hobby with my horses, "Mounted Shooting",unfortunately I am the only person that I know who do this discipline in eastern Canada,I have to go in New Hampshire ,Maine and Massachusetts to do this discipline.My second and third hobbies ; shooting big bore rifle,lead bullets,and flying airplanes.If somebody else do this sport(Mounted Shooting) or interested in doing it,let me know!
 
Yakxie said:
Hi to all,
If somebody else do this sport(Mounted Shooting) or interested in doing it,let me know!

Mounted shooting is something I'm 'aiming' to do. Ultimately, I'd like to hunt from horseback. It's amazing how close you can get to a deer when you approach it on four feet instead of two!

I recently read on a forum somewhere that any horse will let you shoot off his back, the big question is - Will he let you reload? :D

I figure I'll start out with my bow though, taking a chestnut horse into the bush during rifle season probably not a good idea.

I'm near Ottawa, a bit too far away for a casual get together :(

Chris
 
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10Ha.Wood said:
Mounted shooting is something I'm 'aiming' to do. Ultimately, I'd like to hunt from horseback. It's amazing how close you can get to a deer when you approach it on four feet instead of two!

I recently read on a forum somewhere that any horse will let you shoot off his back, the big question is - Will he let you reload? :D

I figure I'll start out with my bow though, taking a chestnut horse into the bush during rifle season probably not a good idea.

I'm near Ottawa, a bit too far away for a casual get together :(

Chris
I never hunted deer from a horseback but I l go for partridge late in november when deer season is over,that's a good physical excercise going up and down to pick up your birds.For deer,I don't think it's a good idea,unless that you cover yourself and your horse with a red fluorescent blanket.I shoot bow from my horseback,I practice on 3D deer target with a 25 pound recurved bow,compound need sighting and on a running horse it's impossible..The mounted shooting sport is different,it's like barrel racing with the addition of firearms,we use two 45 colt loaded with blank ammunition, 10 balloons are displayed on the course,5 balloons are set in a random fashion and 5 are set on a rundown in straight line, 36 feet between each balloon and the horse going full gallop.
The blank ammunition can blow the balloon at 25 feet and at the muzzle it's a firearms,it make a hole in a 1/4 inch plywood,you have to manipulate the guns like if they where loaded with live ammo,you can injure yourself or your horse baddly,the ammo is loaded with black powder in a crimped 45 Colt brass,in a competition, only approved ammo supply by the match director are approved.
You can visit these web site for more info and photos:
http://www.cowboymountedshooting.com/
http://www.cowboymountedshooting.com/
http://www.MASIXSHOOTERS.com
http://www.snowdeo.com
 
Wouldn't shooting that rifle right next to the horses ears cause serious damage, or am I not fully understanding the concept of mounted shooting?
 
If you have the time and patience, and start the horse off slowly with low noise muzzle blast, you might get it to stand for you. The best I've been able to accomplish, is dismounting and shooting from a couple of meters away. When a horse will put up with that, it's doing very well. As far as shooting from its back, a modern magnum is extremely hard on a horses ears and even if you do train it to trust you enough to shoot from its back, there is the ethical problem of injury and hearing loss to the horse. When we shoot gophers in the pastures, or ducks and geese from blinds, it's not uncommon for horses or cattle to be a few yards away. Other than a quick shying movement from surprise, there is vey little reaction and haven't seen any runaways. After the first volley most of them don't even raise their heads from the graze. Usually they will stick around to watch just from curiosity, darn good outlying camouflage when sitting in a blind beside a farm pond waiting for the birds to come in. I dropped in on a cowboy shoot in Washington, the state, just out of Yakima and they had a fake horse to shoot from as well as a live horse mounted rider event. There were only 4 people in the live horse event and they were useing shotguns and pistols, shooting at 90 degree angles to the side of the horse. First shots were a walk by and the second string were on a gallop. The horses were very well behaved and I only noticed them flinch on the walk by. Bearhunter
 
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Soli said:
Wouldn't shooting that rifle right next to the horses ears cause serious damage, or am I not fully understanding the concept of mounted shooting?

Yes, the potential to damage a horses hearing is as great or greater than your own.

There are a number of things you should do to minimize the risks to the horse.

Don't shoot directly over or beside the horses head. You don't want burning powder in their eyes either.
Don't use full loads for practice. Minimize the number of high power shots they are exposed to. (you don't wear hearing protection while hunting either do you?)
Use earplugs in the horses ears. Yes, they do sell them, and people make their own as well.
 
Welcome Yakxie!

I remember reading one of the late, great, Elmer Keith's stories about this one horse he had that loved to hunt coyotes. When they spotted one the horse would run after it while Elmer blazed away with his sixgun(s) until they got it or the pistolas ran dry. Sounds pretty "hairy-chested" to me:eek: !!
 
I used to dismount and put my rifle right across the saddle, he was a damn good horse, I could get off 2 shots before he started getting pissed. It took my grandfather 2 years to get him to do that, it was a sad day when we had to put him down, 26 years of good times and lots of game.

Welcome to the board
 
Soli said:
Wouldn't shooting that rifle right next to the horses ears cause serious damage, or am I not fully understanding the concept of mounted shooting?

For training a horse to the gunshot from is back is a question of time,first I start just having the gun in holster on your belt than he can notice clearly that you're wearing something unusual on you and go in his box and doing thinks normally,brushing his hair,feeding etc.. when he get's familiar with the objects that you are wearing,then you start to pull the gun out of the holster and show him this objet and let him smell it and reholster and keep doing your work around him,when he get familiar with the action of drawing and holstering you start to rub his body with it,when he get's relaxed with this action you start cocking and dryfire, then he will try to escape from this action,because a horse in is nature is to run and go away from a danger and check after when he's at a safe distance,you do these action on both side of the horse, horses has to be trained on both side,when you're on right side his left eye does'nt see what the right eye is seeing,when your horse is very easy with all of these action , your start mounting him and set up a patern with traffic cone with a PVC plumbing tube in it 4 feet long that you attach a balloon of 6 to 9 inches diameter to the tip and you start training your horse doing the pattern,going around the barrel and taking you as close as possible to the balloon,you interchange the course of cone and barrel to train him on left and right hand,when you are satisfied with his training ,you start to draw the revolver and point the balloon with the muzzle at about 45 degree with his head, if you take the time that your horse need to understand and after learn,he will take you where the revolver muzzle aim,after all this is done,you sit comfortably in the saddle on your horseback,that's where the training start,you draw the revolver from holster and #### it,you will feel all the moving parts of your gun into the body of your horse by natural reflexes,you #### and retain the hammer,#### and retain the hammer untill he's calm then you start dryfiring,when he's easy with all these action,install your cone and balloon and start to ride your horse and point the balloon and #### and dryfire when your are at the distance you want,when all this goes OK,install the barrel and start a course of fire with 10 balloon and 2 revolver holstered
and now you begin to train yourself,when a horse is perfectly trained,the problem in Cowboy Mounted Shooting competition comes from the rider,the horse usually is to fast for the rider,so you have to train yourself to your speed and skill,then you train yourself and your horse to a speed that both can manage,don't forget,you have to shoot 5 balloons in a random pattern and 5 balloons in a straight line,this mean that you have to draw,shoot 5 round,holstered the first revolver,draw the second revolver and shoot 5 more rounds at the maximum speed that you can handle,in competition the scrore is established by the time you do the course of fire and you have 5 seconds penality for each balloon missed or stays inflated and penality for missing a cone or not doing the course correctly.When all this training is done,you start to train him to the gun blast,I use only primer in the beginning,I start loading the revolver with one loaded chamber and one empty chamber,you can go in random or alternate one or two blast or no cartridge,the important thing is that you will notice that your horse doe'nt anticipate anymore the primer blast,when he's calm with the primer noise,you start doing the course of fire with primed brass,sometime you will blow the balloon with just the primer if you're close enough ,when this go well you start to train him to the earplug,I use cat toy,it's a cotton ball of about 1 1/2 diam.you attach them together,so you can pull'em out from your horse's ears and if he shakes his head to take them out, it's normal,it's feeling is like a big fly in his ear,if he cannot get used to it,just install on is head a flynet,this will keep the plugs in his ear even if he shakes his head to get rid of them,after he get used to the earplugs load your cartridge with 10 grains of blackpowder,I use FF or FFF and with time you increase your load untill your case is fully loaded.
The only firearms used in Mounted Shooting are revolver single action in 45 Colt caliber manufactured before 1898 or replicas of these guns,you have to be dressed like 1860 to 1900's epoque,saddle and tacks from this era are very appreciate.After all this training is done and you have few competitions
in your back,you will have your best hunting partner's,I own an Arabian pure breed,when I bought her,it takes me 10 days to take her in a trailer and she was runnig about half mile away at the noise of a chain saw,now I do competition with her and when we go partridge hunting she tell's me where the partridge are before I can see them,it's just a question of time,I own this horse since april 2000 and I did the first competion in june 2005 and she still learning she's 8 yrs old and I have Quater Horse and a Paint horse in training for the moment.
 
9mikemike said:
I used to dismount and put my rifle right across the saddle, he was a damn good horse, I could get off 2 shots before he started getting pissed. It took my grandfather 2 years to get him to do that, it was a sad day when we had to put him down, 26 years of good times and lots of game.

Welcome to the board
I know what you're talking about,I'm born and raised on farm.I'm 53 yrs's old
I went a couple a time thru these black moments,these life companions are like good persons,they live in your memory!
 
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