Moving: BC or AB?

I know what you are saying, its just that not all quad owners are jerks, so why punish the rest? Just this week, there was 3 more shootings in TO, should we ban all guns?

I find these days, that resritictions and bans are fine with people, as long as it doesn't affect their own preferences. Like the guy in Whistler this week, that said he'd support a cross-bow ban, because he uses a long bow anyway...
 
Ardent said:
Thank goodness, they've ruined a lot of good places.
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Vehicles have damaged a lot of places. Matches have started lots of fires. Guns have killed lots of people. oil drilling has polluted lots of ocean. Alcohol has ruined many lives. Salt causes high blood pressure. logging has damaged landscapes. Parents have raised criminals.

Should I go on?????

Oh, and by the way, where you get out of your vehicle to walk, look down. That road that you just drove on to get there damaged the landscape!!
 
...BC gov't taxes too much.[/QUOTE]

This is the sad truth.....virtually unaffordable if you are a senior citizen, take it from me....I know all too well.
 
guido said:
Oh, and by the way, where you get out of your vehicle to walk, look down. That road that you just drove on to get there damaged the landscape!!
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No roads where I like to fish. My favorite fishing spot is more than 25kms on foot from the end of the gravel in the mountains, and you know what, that road 25+ clicks back is contained and stays put. There's a reason the fishing's good. Quading is not, many quaders can and do tear up ground anywhere they damn well want to.

blargon, I hear you, and for years I was pro-atv although I didn't own one. Now I see guys turning places I never used to see or hear a quad in, into mudholes. The results are speaking for themselves, the most conservative province in Canada is looking at banning their use, and it's not for no reason. The kind of guy that won't spend 2 days hiking into a spot, but would rather rip roar and winch his way in, should ask himself if he really ought to be there. There's no god given right to be able to go anywhere one damn well pleases, but there is a responsibility not to destroy the habitat that supports what we hunt and fish. My small change. It's a change we're seeing in the outdoorsmen mentality. It's turning into beer guts and motors, when it used to be backpacks and boots. Call me a sentamentalist, but there's a lot of reasons to favour the latter.
 
Unfortunately I've got to agree with Ardent: I'm finding ATV tracks in AB designated "natural areas". It's one thing to rip around public land, which is arguably a grey area; to do it in a stricly no-OHV area is a bit much.

I know we hunters need to stick together, but at some point you have to look at your bed-fellows and decide if you really want to be associated with that.

Anyway, I apologize for straying off topic.
 
Brordo said:
Pick AB so more of your money will stay with you...BC gov't taxes too much.
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In BC you will pay about $4575 in income tax on the first ~$72,000 of taxable income. In Alberta you would pay $7200 on that same amount. The difference of $2675 offsets some of the HST you have to pay in BC. I am sure that there are other tax advantages - plus the advantages that Ardent mentioned.
 
Ardent said:
No roads where I like to fish. My favorite fishing spot is more than 25kms on foot from the end of the gravel in the mountains, and you know what, that road 25+ clicks back is contained and stays put. There's a reason the fishing's good. Quading is not, many quaders can and do tear up ground anywhere they damn well want to.

blargon, I hear you, and for years I was pro-atv although I didn't own one. Now I see guys turning places I never used to see or hear a quad in, into mudholes. The results are speaking for themselves, the most conservative province in Canada is looking at banning their use, and it's not for no reason. The kind of guy that won't spend 2 days hiking into a spot, but would rather rip roar and winch his way in, should ask himself if he really ought to be there. There's no god given right to be able to go anywhere one damn well pleases, but there is a responsibility not to destroy the habitat that supports what we hunt and fish. My small change. It's a change we're seeing in the outdoorsmen mentality. It's turning into beer guts and motors, when it used to be backpacks and boots. Call me a sentamentalist, but there's a lot of reasons to favour the latter.
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Great post.
 
The debate regarding cost of living differences between AB and BC is interesting. I had lived in NW AB for 12 years (during the debt elimination years of King Ralph) and have now lived in NE BC for 4.5 years. I am also in the process of moving two employees from NW AB to NE BC from an inter-provincially rated company (AB and BC).

My experience regarding differences in cost of living has been as follows:

- property taxes in AB are slightly lower,
- utility rates in BC are roughly half those of AB,
- unless it has changed since March 2010, BC has lower personal income tax rate,
- Business tax rate is 1% higher in BC as compared to AB,
- BC has a property transfer tax and AB does not (this is a big one for me),
- Consumer goods in my area is on average 10% lower than AB (I am in a border City) - I actually saved $1,500 on my TV buying in BC as opposed to the corresponding cross border AB City - the BC retailer discounted the TV while the AB ones would not,
- Health Care and other professional (e.g. Dentist) is much more accessible in BC in the example of my family,
- HST is a non issue for me. It is a very good thing for business, as they no longer pay HST (no GST or PST),
- If you are chasing business in the oil patch, BC has been a very attractive environment over the past several years as compared to the province to the east.

I am not sure that the comparison is entirely fair as my time in AB was during the swan song years of King Ralph which were very hard on the community in which I lived, however, I and my family have enjoyed our time in NE BC much more than my time in NW AB.

Please take my observations for what they are worth.
 
1899 said:
Great post.
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I could not agree more. This is a large part of why my family and I have enjoyed our time in BC. Many fewer ruined natural areas from the actions of the guts and beer crowd of the last economic rush in our previous place of residence.
 
Ardent,
Dead on.
My stomping grounds, being crown land just 2 hours north of the big smoke, are ruined by "recreational atv'ers". Hard pressed to go 200yds anywhere without seeing their callous disregard for Mother Nature. Hate the whole lot of them.
 
vviking said:
Ardent,
Dead on.
My stomping grounds, being crown land just 2 hours north of the big smoke, are ruined by "recreational atv'ers". Hard pressed to go 200yds anywhere without seeing their callous disregard for Mother Nature. Hate the whole lot of them.
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So do you lot all ATV owners together as recreational atver's? Seems to me that you do. seeing you hate the whole lot of them.

With your mentality we may as well ban guns as some azzholes kill people with them.

It aint the tool being used, its the tool thats using.
 
Guys, hate to be a thread nazi, but I was curious about the differences in the hunting/fishing oppurtunities between the two provinces. I can see economics having some impact on my decision.

I don't know why this became a thread about ATVs, but if you want to discuss that further, please start a new thread.
 
Provinces / Territories Rate(s)
Newfoundland and Labrador
7.7% on the first $31,278 of taxable income,
+12.8% on the next $31,278,
+15.5% on the amount over $62,556

Prince Edward Island
9.8% on the first $31,984 of taxable income,
+13.8% on the next $31,985,
+16.7% on the amount over $63,969

Nova Scotia
8.79% on the first $29,590 of taxable income, +
14.95% on the next $29,590, +
16.67% on the next $33,820 +
17.5% on the amount over $93,000

New Brunswick
9.3% on the first $36,421 of taxable income, +
12.5% on the next $36,422, +
13.3% on the next $45,584, +
14.3% on the amount over $118,427

Quebec Contact Revenu Québec

Ontario
5.05% on the first $37,106 of taxable income, +
9.15% on the next $37,108, +
11.16% on the amount over $74,214

Manitoba
10.8% on the first $31,000 of taxable income, +
12.75% on the next $36,000, +
17.4% on the amount over $67,000

Saskatchewan
11% on the first $40,354 of taxable income, +
13% on the next $74,943, +
15% on the amount over $115,297

Alberta 10% of taxable income

British Columbia
5.06% on the first $35,859 of taxable income, +
7.7% on the next $35,860, +
10.5% on the next $10,623, +
12.29% on the next $17,645, +
14.7% on the amount over $99,987

Yukon
7.04% on the first $40,970 of taxable income, +
9.68% on the next $40,971, +
11.44% on the next $45,080, +
12.76% on the amount over $127,021

Northwest Territories
5.9% on the first $37,106 of taxable income, +
8.6% on the next $37,108, +
12.2% on the next $46,442, +
14.05% on the amount over $120,656

Nunavut
4% on the first $39,065 of taxable income, +
7% on the next $39,065, +
9% on the next $48,891, +
11.5% on the amount over $127,021

Typical Canadian concept of those who work hard pay more - not just in total but as a percentage of income - EXCEPT in AB where it is a FLAT 10%!

Not to mention that if you are a low income earner or student who makes a marginal amount in a year, you do not pay Provincial Income tax in AB until 16,800, while in BC you pay over 11,000.
 
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