MP44 and MG34, both deactivated.

[drm3m]

In another thread I posted photos of an MP44 that is registered as a CA,
this Steyr assembled MP44 has been deactivated with a moving action.

The MG34 shown with the MG42 are both Gustloff assembled guns.
It was not planned that way when I bought them....it just happened.
The MG34 is 1939 dated and the MG42 is 1943 dated.
Gustloff's manufacturer's code in 1939 was "936" and their code in 1943 was "dfb".

The MG34 markings;

The MG42 markings;

Some history.

The manufacturer (or principle assembler) was Gustloff-Werke, Waffenwerk Suhl.
The original manufacturing company was Simpson &Co., which was owned by Jewish owners, Arthur and Dr. Julius Simpson. The company was taken over by the Nazis in the mid 1930s, and it became BSW (Berlin-Suhler Waffen-und Fahrzeugwerke.) After BSW became part of the NSDAP stiftung known as Gustloff-Werke, their name was changed to Gustloff-Werke, Waffenwerk Suhl, and their markings changed first to the Gustloff commercial logo, the outline of a capital “G” configured as a shield. It later became numerical code “936” in 1939, and in 1940 the three-letter alphabetic code was introduced in Germany, and Gustloff was assigned code “dfb”. Guns with the “dfb” code have been observed from 1940 (on MG 34s until 1943 on MG42s).
Interesting to note that Simpson & Co. was the only factory allowed to make machineguns and Lugers for the Reichwehr during the 1920s. After the war the name of Simpson re-emerged, and the companies’ name was changed once again.



Any sense of values?

Thanks,

David

 

[Desert_Fox]

For the DeWaT MP44 i would hazard a conservative estimate at $2500.00. The last DeWaT StG/MP44 I saw for sale about 5 years ago went for $2350, but it could perhaps be as high as $4000 for them now?

The MG42, well, you already have an idea, and I have been WAAAY out of the loop on those..


The MG34, I would say probably about $2000... There is always the option of buying a non restricted TNW MG34, so it seems they do not command as high of values in DeWaT status. But, I love being proved wrong.

Cheers!

 

[bas]

is the MG.42 deactivated as well?

 

[drm3m]

bas,

The MG42 is "#### and click".
Very neatly done.

David

 

[agentcq]

Lovely!!!!!

I would say about $2000-4000 for the MP44 and higher in the US
The MG34 $2000-4000 and maybe even less in the US

The MP44 is really desirable in the US right now even as a DEWAT as a good gun smith can figure a way of making a "new gun" converted semi. ShotGun News had a three part issue on how to make one out of a three piece cut reciever with a jig and you can buy the bolt and other parts seperately. I don't know how difficult it would be in import to the US but it would probably be worth your while if you are going to sell it.

The MG34 is nice but there are lots of part kits out there. I would love an all matching one to switch parts off my TNW so I have an all matching minus bolt/reciever semi-auto.

The Gustlaff is my fav maker as well.

 

[american lockpicker]

I've never seen a deac like that down here. Now they have to have the reciever cut in 3 places and no barrel.

 

[Michael J]

The MP44 is really desirable in the US right now even as a DEWAT as a good gun smith can figure a way of making a "new gun" converted semi. ShotGun News had a three part issue on how to make one out of a three piece cut reciever with a jig and you can buy the bolt and other parts seperately. I don't know how difficult it would be in import to the US but it would probably be worth your while if you are going to sell it.
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I don't think they allow canadian dewats over the border because we are less harsh with ours. Hmm but it's been a couple years since i've looked at import/export regs on these kinds of things. Anything entering the border for starters would have to be demilled/deactivated according to US spec. I think current US deactivation involves filling the inside of the gun with weld, and stuffing a big metal block in there ...

I'd look into it though, if it's possible, it will be very profitable.