Mueller riflescopes
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I have the 8.5-25x44 Tactical and it seems okay so far. Optics are pretty clear. The over all look an feel of the scope is in the Tasco Varmint class type, the optics are better than the Tasco scopes. I haven`t have a chance to put it through it`s paces but expect good things 
Garnet
Garnet
Thanks Dusty61,
So how do you like the Mildot reticule, does it look cluttered in there- will you find it useful?
I'm undecided between the 44mm Mildot and the 50mm Eradicator with fine crosshair and red dot. This will be mounted on a .243 Savage12fv, mainly engaging paper/stationary targets no more than 300yds.
Any help apprieciated.
So how do you like the Mildot reticule, does it look cluttered in there- will you find it useful?
I'm undecided between the 44mm Mildot and the 50mm Eradicator with fine crosshair and red dot. This will be mounted on a .243 Savage12fv, mainly engaging paper/stationary targets no more than 300yds.
Any help apprieciated.
1shot said:
I find the Mildot to be very sharp.I don`t think you have any trouble with this scope punching paper out to 300.
I use quite afew mildot scopes, Bushnell and Leupold`s and the reticle is just as good in the Mueller. Optics aren`t quite that of the Bushnell or Leupold but not a long ways off.
With all the scopes I`ve owned I`ve never had a illuminated red dot so I really couldn`t say how they`d compare. I`ve used fine cross 1/8 dot and would say there`d be no differance between the mildot.
Hope this helps,
Garnet
This should pretty much answer any questions you have :
I recieved my Mueller Eraticator (8.5-25X50mm AO illuminated reticle) early last week. I was extreamly impressed with it's overall quality and would recommend it to anyone. I thought the Illum. reticle really tipped the "cool factor" scale and could be very practical when shooting at a dark target/object. I got my Mueller scope from Phil at whitefalls hunting supplies, you can contact him at whitefalls@mts.net
The Eraticator showed up at my door step for a grand total of 350$ with 3" sunshade...(It retails for $289.95 plus applicable taxes and S/H of 18.00, the sunshades for the 50mm cost $19.95) The Eraticator can be had in matte black or silver finish.
The Mueller Tactical ( 8.5-25x44mm AO Mil Dot) w/ sunshade can be had in Matte Black only. This scope retails for $235.99 plus applicable taxes and Shipping and Handling of $18.00.
Here are a couple quotes....
I recieved these from trusted and admired folks @ RFC, they helped me when I was shopping for a new scope... and I hope they help you out just the same !!!
- "I've been using the Eraticator for nearly a year now. I think the optics are outstanding given the price. Although I have one mounted on my Savage 93R17, I use the one mounted on my .920 barreled 10/22 more. This is mostly because I spend more time at the outdoor range than I do in the field chasing prairie dogs - its a seasonal thing. A semi-auto is much nicer when one has a target rich environment, while the bolt is great for reaching out to touch beyond the .22 lr's effective range.
I really like the 8.5-25X50 Eraticator for bench shooting. At 25X you can really see the target at 50 yards clearly and it make shooting tight groups easier, but makes finding prairie dogs harder because of the narrower field of view. I like the really fine cross-hairs the Eraticator uses and I don't find the illuminated dot to be obtrusive when focusing on the center of the bullseye.
The 8.5-25X44 Tactical non-illuminated model was just mounted on my other 10/22 that sports the 20" GM fluted sporter barrel. I haven't had a clear day to take it to the range yet, so I can't comment on it functionality. The primary use for this setup is my prairie dog shoots I take in the spring and summer. Last year I found I could hit out to about 125 yards with the .22 lr, but I had to walk rounds in on them. I thought a mil-dot scope would help in that regard, although I will still have to contend with a narrow field of view.
My impressions of the differences in the Eraticator and the Tactical is as follows: Eraticator is brighter than the Tactical by virtue of the bigger objective. The Eraticator has finer cross-hairs, but doesn't have mil-dots. Some have commented that the Eraticators illuminated dot obscures small targets like the USBR targets 10 ring. Personally, I don't find that a problem. I think the Eraticator is better suited for bench shooting than the Tactical. The Tactical is better suited for hunting purposes with its mil-dot feature. Both have excellent adjustment knobs with positive clicks. The Eraticator is more fine with 1/8th adjustments versus 1/4 adjustments for the Tactical. I don't think you could go wrong with either scope, but you should base your decision on the type of shooting you want to do. The Eraticator cost me $200 usd and the non-illuminated Tactical cost me $150 usd."
-"The Eraticator is a better scope for a couple of different reasons including the larger 50mm obj, glass ecthed reticle and illuminated feature. Anytime you have 2 comparable high power scopes from the same company, using the same lenses, the one with the smaller obj will more than likely suffer with less brightness and contrast due to the reduced exit eye pupil size.. In this case, the smaller 44mm scope only has an exit eye pupil of 1.76mm.. But I think for usbr target shooting you will benifit from the smaller 8.5-25x44AO mildot because of the finer center crosshair as apposed to the 3/8" dot @ 100yds the Eraticator has."
- "The scope I tested was the Mueller 8.5/25/50 AO red dot. Here is what I did in my shop with the scope. First I put it on my bench 22lr rifle and sighted it in. then I shot the scope for square . this test is five shot groups then, I turned the scope left nine clicks and shot five more . then up nine clicks and right nine then nine down . When the last five were right in the same place the first five were . not to bad for having five miles an hour winds . When I took the scope off the 22 and put it on my 375 H&H . I took the rifle and put it on the bench that I use for test actions . in a vise strapping the gun down. and the butt of the gun up tight against a block wall so the recoil of the gun would not go back this way the scope has to take all the force of the recoil . after 100 rounds from that . I shot the scope for groups on the 22 again.then I put it on my 50 cal BMG and shot 20 rounds through it. then back to the 22 for the final test to see if it held center. after this test, I think this scope will hold up to just about anything you can do to this scope most scopes in this price range would not hold up to all this."
-"Adjustment range decreases as magnification increases.
I got my Mueller 8.5-25 last week and mounted it on my 6MM. The knobs will do 4.5 revolutions from stop to stop, meaning that the scope has about 67.5 MOA of adjustment, which is pretty impressive for an inexpensive 1" scope of this magnification.
My impressions of this scope are that it appears extermely solid. Much more solid than the 3 Burris Black Diamonds that I sent back last year. No wobble in the fast focus eyepiece (a real problem in the Swifts and also the Burris focusing eyepiece). Click adjustments are very positive and solid, and the markings on the turrets are well thought out. The center of the field is very clear- not quite as good as my 50 MM Redfield Illuminator on the same power settings, but surprisingly close for less than 1/4 the price. Clarity is definitely superior to my high end Simmons scopes.
gripes about the scope are pretty minor. The outside edges of the field have some distortion comparable to that seen in some of the Weaver V series scopes. The windage turret dial has a slight but annoying wobble which does not affect the internals and may go away when I tighten the set screws. Eye relief, as stated before, is short, which doesn't allow me to adjust far enough back for my stock which is an inch too long. Guess I'll have to get around to trimming the stock finally. The AO will turn past infinity. At 25X, the brightness falls off slightly- just enough to be noticeable. This dropoff is to be expected, and it is much less than what I have seen in the high end offerings from Simmons. Every BSA and tasco I have seen get so dim as to be difficult to use at above 20X The most irritating thing is that the documentation sent with this scope is almost useless. There is nothing to indicate the power setting at which the mil dot reticle is calibrated. It probably is 10x, but there is no way to tell until I try it out at a known distance.Others who have shot this scope have indicated that the adjustments track, the AO is accurate, and the zero doesn't shift with power changes. All things considered, this seems to be a reasonably good scope at a great price"
Here is a direct quote from Mueller:
"Hi ###X, they both utilize the same turret and spring clip assemblies but
the Eraticator has 1/8" clicks as apposed to the 1/4" clicks on the
8.5-25x44... The Eraticator is also a tad bit clearer on the lower powers
due to the ergonomic design and brighter due to the larger exit-eye pupil
size because of the larger 50mm obj lens.
Hope that helps
Mueller Optics"
And finally a couple reviews:
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63821
http://www.chuckhawks.com/mueller_eraticator_8-25x50_syn.htm
http://www.savageshooters.net/Reviews/Mueller_Eraticator.html
http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=31638
http://www.snipercentral.com/muellertac.htm
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79182&highlight=mueller+review
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125530&highlight=mueller+review
Good luck with your new purchase and I hope you can find a scope that will satisfy you.
I recieved my Mueller Eraticator (8.5-25X50mm AO illuminated reticle) early last week. I was extreamly impressed with it's overall quality and would recommend it to anyone. I thought the Illum. reticle really tipped the "cool factor" scale and could be very practical when shooting at a dark target/object. I got my Mueller scope from Phil at whitefalls hunting supplies, you can contact him at whitefalls@mts.net
The Eraticator showed up at my door step for a grand total of 350$ with 3" sunshade...(It retails for $289.95 plus applicable taxes and S/H of 18.00, the sunshades for the 50mm cost $19.95) The Eraticator can be had in matte black or silver finish.
The Mueller Tactical ( 8.5-25x44mm AO Mil Dot) w/ sunshade can be had in Matte Black only. This scope retails for $235.99 plus applicable taxes and Shipping and Handling of $18.00.
Here are a couple quotes....
I recieved these from trusted and admired folks @ RFC, they helped me when I was shopping for a new scope... and I hope they help you out just the same !!!
- "I've been using the Eraticator for nearly a year now. I think the optics are outstanding given the price. Although I have one mounted on my Savage 93R17, I use the one mounted on my .920 barreled 10/22 more. This is mostly because I spend more time at the outdoor range than I do in the field chasing prairie dogs - its a seasonal thing. A semi-auto is much nicer when one has a target rich environment, while the bolt is great for reaching out to touch beyond the .22 lr's effective range.
I really like the 8.5-25X50 Eraticator for bench shooting. At 25X you can really see the target at 50 yards clearly and it make shooting tight groups easier, but makes finding prairie dogs harder because of the narrower field of view. I like the really fine cross-hairs the Eraticator uses and I don't find the illuminated dot to be obtrusive when focusing on the center of the bullseye.
The 8.5-25X44 Tactical non-illuminated model was just mounted on my other 10/22 that sports the 20" GM fluted sporter barrel. I haven't had a clear day to take it to the range yet, so I can't comment on it functionality. The primary use for this setup is my prairie dog shoots I take in the spring and summer. Last year I found I could hit out to about 125 yards with the .22 lr, but I had to walk rounds in on them. I thought a mil-dot scope would help in that regard, although I will still have to contend with a narrow field of view.
My impressions of the differences in the Eraticator and the Tactical is as follows: Eraticator is brighter than the Tactical by virtue of the bigger objective. The Eraticator has finer cross-hairs, but doesn't have mil-dots. Some have commented that the Eraticators illuminated dot obscures small targets like the USBR targets 10 ring. Personally, I don't find that a problem. I think the Eraticator is better suited for bench shooting than the Tactical. The Tactical is better suited for hunting purposes with its mil-dot feature. Both have excellent adjustment knobs with positive clicks. The Eraticator is more fine with 1/8th adjustments versus 1/4 adjustments for the Tactical. I don't think you could go wrong with either scope, but you should base your decision on the type of shooting you want to do. The Eraticator cost me $200 usd and the non-illuminated Tactical cost me $150 usd."
-"The Eraticator is a better scope for a couple of different reasons including the larger 50mm obj, glass ecthed reticle and illuminated feature. Anytime you have 2 comparable high power scopes from the same company, using the same lenses, the one with the smaller obj will more than likely suffer with less brightness and contrast due to the reduced exit eye pupil size.. In this case, the smaller 44mm scope only has an exit eye pupil of 1.76mm.. But I think for usbr target shooting you will benifit from the smaller 8.5-25x44AO mildot because of the finer center crosshair as apposed to the 3/8" dot @ 100yds the Eraticator has."
- "The scope I tested was the Mueller 8.5/25/50 AO red dot. Here is what I did in my shop with the scope. First I put it on my bench 22lr rifle and sighted it in. then I shot the scope for square . this test is five shot groups then, I turned the scope left nine clicks and shot five more . then up nine clicks and right nine then nine down . When the last five were right in the same place the first five were . not to bad for having five miles an hour winds . When I took the scope off the 22 and put it on my 375 H&H . I took the rifle and put it on the bench that I use for test actions . in a vise strapping the gun down. and the butt of the gun up tight against a block wall so the recoil of the gun would not go back this way the scope has to take all the force of the recoil . after 100 rounds from that . I shot the scope for groups on the 22 again.then I put it on my 50 cal BMG and shot 20 rounds through it. then back to the 22 for the final test to see if it held center. after this test, I think this scope will hold up to just about anything you can do to this scope most scopes in this price range would not hold up to all this."
-"Adjustment range decreases as magnification increases.
I got my Mueller 8.5-25 last week and mounted it on my 6MM. The knobs will do 4.5 revolutions from stop to stop, meaning that the scope has about 67.5 MOA of adjustment, which is pretty impressive for an inexpensive 1" scope of this magnification.
My impressions of this scope are that it appears extermely solid. Much more solid than the 3 Burris Black Diamonds that I sent back last year. No wobble in the fast focus eyepiece (a real problem in the Swifts and also the Burris focusing eyepiece). Click adjustments are very positive and solid, and the markings on the turrets are well thought out. The center of the field is very clear- not quite as good as my 50 MM Redfield Illuminator on the same power settings, but surprisingly close for less than 1/4 the price. Clarity is definitely superior to my high end Simmons scopes.
gripes about the scope are pretty minor. The outside edges of the field have some distortion comparable to that seen in some of the Weaver V series scopes. The windage turret dial has a slight but annoying wobble which does not affect the internals and may go away when I tighten the set screws. Eye relief, as stated before, is short, which doesn't allow me to adjust far enough back for my stock which is an inch too long. Guess I'll have to get around to trimming the stock finally. The AO will turn past infinity. At 25X, the brightness falls off slightly- just enough to be noticeable. This dropoff is to be expected, and it is much less than what I have seen in the high end offerings from Simmons. Every BSA and tasco I have seen get so dim as to be difficult to use at above 20X The most irritating thing is that the documentation sent with this scope is almost useless. There is nothing to indicate the power setting at which the mil dot reticle is calibrated. It probably is 10x, but there is no way to tell until I try it out at a known distance.Others who have shot this scope have indicated that the adjustments track, the AO is accurate, and the zero doesn't shift with power changes. All things considered, this seems to be a reasonably good scope at a great price"
Here is a direct quote from Mueller:
"Hi ###X, they both utilize the same turret and spring clip assemblies but
the Eraticator has 1/8" clicks as apposed to the 1/4" clicks on the
8.5-25x44... The Eraticator is also a tad bit clearer on the lower powers
due to the ergonomic design and brighter due to the larger exit-eye pupil
size because of the larger 50mm obj lens.
Hope that helps
Mueller Optics"
And finally a couple reviews:
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63821
http://www.chuckhawks.com/mueller_eraticator_8-25x50_syn.htm
http://www.savageshooters.net/Reviews/Mueller_Eraticator.html
http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=31638
http://www.snipercentral.com/muellertac.htm
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79182&highlight=mueller+review
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125530&highlight=mueller+review
Good luck with your new purchase and I hope you can find a scope that will satisfy you.
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Mueller scopes
I was comparing a Mueller Tactical 8.5x25x44AO scope to a recently acquired Nikon Buckmasters 4.5x14x40mm SF. Set at14x the Mueller scope is every bit as sharp and clear as the Nikon is and the Nikon is double the price of the Mueller. From my limited experience with them I would say the Muellers are excellent scopes for the money and hard to beat.
I was comparing a Mueller Tactical 8.5x25x44AO scope to a recently acquired Nikon Buckmasters 4.5x14x40mm SF. Set at14x the Mueller scope is every bit as sharp and clear as the Nikon is and the Nikon is double the price of the Mueller. From my limited experience with them I would say the Muellers are excellent scopes for the money and hard to beat.
