Museum's inventory: Inglis Browning 9 mm, chinese contract

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dauph197

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Hi Guys,

After sending few message with another member, I decided to put some pictures of two Browning 9 mm made by Inglis. The first one has some huge chinese characters and the second one has a similar serial number. It can be something else too, I know some experts will tell us rapidly.

The sad thing is both pistols are completely deactivated. So, it appear that after the Bren made for China, we also have pistols in the Museum's collection.

Ennjoy and share any information.

Martin









The other one...







 
The Mandarin slide CH Inglis is super early and scarce. What a shame it's been de-activated and re-finished. I've been looking for an original one like it for a long time....

-Steve
 
Deactivated? Looks more like a project to work the dremel abit. Can you pull the hammer back on these? show the evil welds.
 
The welds are certainly unsightly, but being museum peices neither of them will ever be fired again in any event, so unless the museum is planning on selling off it's collection into private hands, the fact that they've been deactivated is irrelevant, is it not?
 
9.3mauser has understand everything! There is no way the Museum will ask to have it ''re-activated'' because there is no need for that, unless I decide to do it myself, which is not impossible. But I would need to improve my skills on the Dremel tool.

Like I said, a Museum is the last place where we can keep prohibited weapons. I really don't like when a weapon is deactivated. It becomes nothing else than a toy or a piece of metal. We lost all the scientific data about it as we can't see how the action is working. I presume, we can say, at least, we know how they were looking when all the others will be destroyed?!

Sad reality...

Martin
 
dauph197 said:
9.3mauser has understand everything! There is no way the Museum will ask to have it ''re-activated'' because there is no need for that, unless I decide to do it myself, which is not impossible. But I would need to improve my skills on the Dremel tool.

Like I said, a Museum is the last place where we can keep prohibited weapons. I really don't like when a weapon is deactivated. It becomes nothing else than a toy or a piece of metal. We lost all the scientific data about it as we can't see how the action is working. I presume, we can say, at least, we know how they were looking when all the others will be destroyed?!

Sad reality...

Martin
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If you can, then do.

At the very least the unsightly tack welds can be cleaned up and all the bits such as the mag, slide lock and hammer are available NOW. Maybe there was all kinds of evil weld inside but the tacks on the exterior are just begging to be cleaned up.
 
In accordance with the Canadian Forces museum manual, weapons are not to be altered. This was primarily meant to prevent curators from destroying artifacts by having them neutered. Even so, it still happens occasionally where some curator gets the idea that their firearms need to be made "safer".

Shame that these two hi-powers had to suffer this fate, when there was no legal requirement for them to have this done. Mind you, it is possible that they were donated to the museum from outside the DND already deactivated.
 
stencollector said:
In accordance with the Canadian Forces museum manual, weapons are not to be altered. This was primarily meant to prevent curators from destroying artifacts by having them neutered. Even so, it still happens occasionally where some curator gets the idea that their firearms need to be made "safer".

Shame that these two hi-powers had to suffer this fate, when there was no legal requirement for them to have this done. Mind you, it is possible that they were donated to the museum from outside the DND already deactivated.
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i hardly would call those types curators, they are just vandals that get the title on their name tag
 
I have one like the first one in mint condition with shoulder stock . I have a number of the second ones in mint condition with shoulder
stocks
 
As Steve said, the first one is quite rare.

The second one appears to have been in British service after the war; Notice the "No 1" crudely stamped in front of Mk 1* ? Armorers were instructed to stamp or engrave No 1 or No 2 (No1 being the tangent sight, Chinese contract, and No2 being the fixed sight) in order to differentiate between the two beginning in (I believe, this is off the top of my head) 1947. I don't recall if the Canadian military was doing the same thing or not.

In the late 1960s or 1970s, the remaining No 1 (tangent sight) guns had their tangent sights milled off and a new fixed sight soldered or welded in place, so many of these have the "No 1" marking scratched out and are stamped "No 2" next to it. Some also had the slots for the shoulder stock filled, but according to an older gentleman I know who was an armorer in the '70s, nobody, in his unit, anyway, really cared if the slots were filled or not.

Neat pieces to have, despite the crude deactivations.

Adam
 
stencollector is right, they were not deactivated by the Museum's curator. These two gun were brought in deactivated by someone with a good intention to not give some trouble to the Museum. This is not bad intention but mostly ignorance.

We have a bunch of deactivated weapons that I won't post here for the moment as I have very few interest in non-active weapons. Believe it or not, they are all brought back from Europe and right now, the CF has to respect the International laws when it is time to bring back foreign weapons. Every single foreign weapons, brought for whatever the reason has to be deactivated. The armorers are the ones responsible to deactivate them. Some are better then others but sometimes, they just don't have the choice to do it!

Sad but true...

Martin
 
I started writing a response about the more likely reason why recently captured arms have been deactivated, but thought better of it. The museum manual plainly states that weapons are not to be altered. Allowing other government departments to dictate or influence the mutilation of historical artifacts does not sit well with me.

I see gaff responded while I was typing, and I think he may have hit the nail on the head.
 
Well, well... there is a bit of truth and there is a bit of something else.

I still sure there is a way to escape this pattern but some times, laziness and ignorance make people taking the easiest way.

The bottom line is the same, we have some deactivated weapons and we have to live with!
 
There was actually a Canadian Forces Technical Order (CFTO) issued in the mid 90s that detailed the deactivation procedures for small arms given to museums. It was rescinded a few months later with the notation that museum weapons were not to be altered. And yet the political correctness continues.
 
stencollector said:
There was actually a Canadian Forces Technical Order (CFTO) issued in the mid 90s that detailed the deactivation procedures for small arms given to museums. It was rescinded a few months later with the notation that museum weapons were not to be altered. And yet the political correctness continues.
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Yep, just think of the stupidity that reigned when the Military Police seized all the firearms at the CFB Petawawa Museum and where later Dewated "for the publics good", no doubt.
 
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