Muzzle brake on a Savage 10TR LEO Help

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I guys
I just bought a Savage 10TR .308 Win. and I'm thinking about installing muzzle break. I haven't had the chance to shoot it yet.
I've found one at Alberta Tactical Rifle and was wondering if any of you have installed on of these on his or her rifle and how did it affect accuracy or recoil?
Is it a worthwhile investment?
I use mine for target only. I stopped hunting years ago. Nothing against hunting just in the wrong area and too much work.
I've got some loads ready with BLC-2 powder over Sierra 168 gr. HPBT and some with IMR 4198 with the same bullet.
I also have some Nosler 168 gr. HPBT that I picked up yesterday. Haven't found any 175gr. yet.

Any comments are welcome.

Thanks Dave:
 
Very effective at reducing recoil.

Very loud and muzzle blast + if you're shooting close to anyone else...if that's an issue.

No negative effect on accuracy.

As with all ATRS products...very high quality and well designed.

I brake most of my 30cal centrefires.
The recoil reduction is welcome. Depending on the rifle it can be significant.
There are times/situations tho where I don't shoot and or will wait for a more isolated bench when at the range as I feel bad shooting a braked rifle when the benches are busy...they are close together at the ranges I shoot at and covered so the blast/noise is nasty.
 
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Got limited in characters in the quick reply..:confused:

If you do brake your rifle test it with and without to verify change in POI as some brakes will shift the POI altho it is typically not too bad...at least at 100yds...worse of course the farther out you shoot.
You may well choose/need to remove the brake for some shooting scenarios.
 
ATRS makes great stuff, I have a few of their products but haven't personally tried their brake yet. Keep in mind you will have to time the brake, either shims/crush washer or have Rick's guy spin the barrel down.

Another Canadian option, that you can time yourself, is the Insite Arms "Heathen" brake. I have been testing one next to my Benchmark brake and it is proving to be very effective. Accuracy is on par or better. The recoil/hop are only slightly more noticeable than the muscle brake but it's hard to beat a big ol' slab brake for recoil reduction.
 
ddeslaur said:
I guys
I just bought a Savage 10TR .308 Win. and I'm thinking about installing muzzle break. I haven't had the chance to shoot it yet.
I've found one at Alberta Tactical Rifle and was wondering if any of you have installed on of these on his or her rifle and how did it affect accuracy or recoil?
Is it a worthwhile investment?
I use mine for target only. I stopped hunting years ago. Nothing against hunting just in the wrong area and too much work.
I've got some loads ready with BLC-2 powder over Sierra 168 gr. HPBT and some with IMR 4198 with the same bullet.
I also have some Nosler 168 gr. HPBT that I picked up yesterday. Haven't found any 175gr. yet.

Any comments are welcome.

Thanks Dave:
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We have sold hundreds of our brakes specifically being installed on the same rifle you have without a single negative bit of feedback.

We have also had a large number of reports back from guys with that very rifle reporting excellent results shooting the 178g Amax bullets powered with Varget.
 
ATRS brake--take note the crush washer that I got had to be filed down in order to index the brake properly < the brake works excellent at reducing recoil ,but as with any brake it is loud,I double plugged even as the shooter .You will also need a barrel vise of some sort to install and tighten properly .I found it good to use with bipod but have gone without brake for shooting off a rest ,with the 24 in barrel the change in POI was 3 inches horizontally 168 amax pushed with varget
 
litledab said:
ATRS brake--take note the crush washer that I got had to be filed down in order to index the brake properly < the brake works excellent at reducing recoil ,but as with any brake it is loud,I double plugged even as the shooter .You will also need a barrel vise of some sort to install and tighten properly .I found it good to use with bipod but have gone without brake for shooting off a rest ,with the 24 in barrel the change in POI was 3 inches horizontally 168 amax pushed with varget
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This is common as the various rifle manufacturers do not all start their threads at the same point for indexing.
Crush washers also vary in thickness and sometimes need a little TLC to get a brake such as ours where timing is critical. The alternate is to use a jam nut, then this is averted, but they don't look as nice.
 
Thanks for the reply's. Our shooting club has a small isolated area for guys with loud guns. I've always been careful when shooting my handguns around others, I know how unpleasant it is when someone next to you is shooting 44 mag like it was going out of style.
What is meant by timing the brake. Is it simply during installation when it has to be aligned properly or do you have to tune it like Browning's Boss.
 
ddeslaur said:
Thanks for the reply's. Our shooting club has a small isolated area for guys with loud guns. I've always been careful when shooting my handguns around others, I know how unpleasant it is when someone next to you is shooting 44 mag like it was going out of style.
What is meant by timing the brake. Is it simply during installation when it has to be aligned properly or do you have to tune it like Browning's Boss.
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Our brakes have a ton of air movement engineering in their design, as a consequence if the brake is not timed to true top dead center of the bore the ports will make the rifle recoil to 1 direction or another rather than in true 100% rearward motion only.
Timing is fairly easy but will require the use of a couple of machinists levels in order to effect proper installation.
This is the case with many side ported brakes, ours however are quite a bit more sensitive to timing due to the port geometry.

The BOSS System is more tuning the barrels harmonics by moving a weight (the brake) to optimize the harmonics, their recoil reduction capability is not terribly efficient in comparison to ours or several others for that matter.
 
+1, great post, covers the major pros/cons. Reduce recoil vs loud muzzle blast. Folks in next bench will hate you; your shoulders will thank you.

side note: Switching to 260 Rem from 308 Win. A 140grs 260 same BC as 190grs 308. My Hunting weight 260, no muzzle (Tikka T3 CTR) feels like my muzzled TRG 22 in 308.
terez said:
Very effective at reducing recoil.

Very loud and muzzle blast + if you're shooting close to anyone else...if that's an issue.

No negative effect on accuracy.

As with all ATRS products...very high quality and well designed.

I brake most of my 30cal centrefires.
The recoil reduction is welcome. Depending on the rifle it can be significant.
There are times/situations tho where I don't shoot and or will wait for a more isolated bench when at the range as I feel bad shooting a braked rifle when the benches are busy...they are close together at the ranges I shoot at and covered so the blast/noise is nasty.
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Thanks again for the reply.
yes I'm familiar with the Boss and how it works. I was wondering if the brake used the same principals plus the actual brake.
My friends have a machine shop so borrowing machinists levels won't be a problem.
Does it come with explanations on how to tune it?

Thanks
 
Timing a brake isn't tuning.....Like ATRS said...it just means getting the ports oriented so that they are doing their job....forcing gas down and to the sides.
Any direction other than exactly that and they will push the rifle in one direction more than the other/lessen the recoil reduction/and even become counterproductive if the brake is poorly installed and or upside down...yes I've seen many brakes installed upside down :) Even had one guy tell me he preferred the look and blast installed that way..?? oh well.

Tuning..like a Browning BOSS weighted sytem moves barrel vibration harmonics around to adjust or seek a preference.
Installing any brake alters barrel harmonics by default as you have added mass to the end of a barrel that acts like a whip when it is fired.
BTW..the longer the barrel the more potential negative affect a brake can add as longer barrels are more flexible and the leverage is greater so adding mass to the end of them is amplified.
Shorter barrels being stiffer resist this effect.

Competent engineering of the product in advance addresses some of this issue but it is there regardless.

By an ATRS brake and try it....I'm sure you'll like it as well as it will deliver on its performance.
There are many good quality brakes out there but...
ATRS are a CANADIAN firearms company who make premium quality parts/rifles, and represent CANADA worldwide in the firearms arena with pride!!

No I'm not affiliated with them in any way.
Just a satisfied customer standing by a CANADIAN company that not only survives in this business but thrives and represents. I buy Dlask when I can too for the same reason.
 
I have a ATRS brake on my .308 win, instructions clearly state what direction is up and how to install, the crush washer is easy to file or sand down a bit on the back side of needed and that is all explained well in the instructions also. The crush washer makes it way easier to time, I have other brakes on other guns that I had to take to a guy with a lathe to remove a bit of material over and over a bit at a time until the tightened position was exact, the only benifit to that is a cleaner look.
 
Thanks again for the information and help. I realize that I used the wrong term when I stated Tune and not Time.
I trust ATRS and most Canadian companies and encourage them whenever possible. I've read some good reviews about Canadian made accessories from Americans and know that we have a limited market and Canadian companies have to be on par or better than our cousins south of the border.
I've added a muzzle bake to my wish list and will order it. I'll let you know when it's installed and have had a chance to try it. it seems simple enough now.
If I've asked a lot of questions it's due to my curious nature, I like to know how things work before doing or trying anything new.
 
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