Thanks for the replys. I am not interested in flinters, so ordering from the states is out. It's too bad that we don't have more selection in Canada, but inlines have taken over the market. My first muzzleloader was an Investarms Hawken in .45, that came as a kit, and a good rifle too. My wife's rifle is a Traditions Deerhunter, and came as a $120 kit. I guess I just miss the old days.