My first Mosin *sighs*

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Well ladies, I finally picked up a mosin. I've got pictures for you. When do I not? lol

It is a 1944 Manufactured 91/30, with a laminated stock. Tula factory, all matching serials. It's a "hand select".
I looked up the rarity, and apparently laminated stock 91/30's are a 7/10 on the rare scale.

I am now asking you to provide me with any more information possible about this rifle. There are a bunch of marks on the actual rifle. If you cannot read them in the pictures, I could try my best to describe them.

I also have a picture of the number on the bayonet, if anyone would know what that would mean as well. I don't anticipate the bayonet would match the rifle.

This is my first milsurp to still have the white lettering on the gun. Is there any particular advice you can give to making sure it doesn't wear off?

Hope you guys enjoy my shots. I apologize for the dirty bed. But it doubles as a gun working/cleaning platform. Here we go!:dancingbanana:

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74748 is what the number above is.
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ilovepotatos said:
It is a 1944 Manufactured 91/30, with a laminated stock. Tula factory, all matching serials. It's a "hand select".
I looked up the rarity, and apparently laminated stock 91/30's are a 7/10 on the rare scale.

This is my first milsurp to still have the white lettering on the gun. Is there any particular advice you can give to making sure it doesn't wear off?
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It's not a Tula, it's an Izhevsk. Tula has a Star shaped stamp, not a triangle. As for the white lettering, I doubt the Russians had anything to do with that. Some refurbs have an orange or red lettering, but white usually indicates it was done by a previous owner to make the sights and numbers easier to read. Laminates aren't nearly as common as regular wood, but I wouldn't call them rare.

The 'Y' in the circle is a final black powder proof mark. That's pretty much all I can see clearly. I'm sure Claven will be along shortly to sort everything out.... :D

Nice rifle though.
 
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My mistake. It's Izhevsk. Also, anyone got recommendations on getting the bayo on? That's as tight as I could get it, smacking it with the rubber grip of my hammer.
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Lube the post below the button that recedes into the shaft of the bayonet really well. Lube the inside of the socket and on the muzzle end of the barrel too. It will slide right on and off after that.
 
I cannot move the bayonet whatsoever. I remember reading how difficult it was meant to be to get it on and off. So I grabbed my hammer and went at it with the rubber grip. I damaged it a tiny bit, but I'm a man of heft.
No actual damage to the rifle, just a few tiny marks on the bayonet. However, my heft has caused the bayonet to sit very snugly on the barrel. And I cannot get it off anymore.

I have some spray gun oil that foams then liquifies, and sprayed it everywhere. It didn't help. The thing simply won't budge. It also doesn't help that I cannot duplicate the force I was using to smack it down in the first place, in trying to get it to come off. Does anyone have any advice for me?

If the bayonet was stuck, and was PROPERLY on, it wouldn't be a problem. But right now, it's completely blocking the front sight. :(

If you guys keep nagging me, I'll get some pictures of all the rifles together. My buddy lives on res, so I keep his guns too.

Combined, it's not much monitarily, but I like to think it's solid for a couple of students.

RC Kar 98k
Bubba .303
Tokarev TT
1895 Nagant
My Mosin
His Mosin.
 
Thats nice !...
I'll bet the bayo socket has closed up from storeage/handling .
Try speading it apart , evenly , with a small pry bar, just a bit at a time.
 
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Oh boy... ok. Get a rubber mallet, DO NOT use the handle. Use said rubber mallet to tap off the bayonet. If this does not work, get your girlfriend with all the stripes on her sweter to hold the gun firmly agains that bed matress, bayonet blade side up, and go at it with a real hammer and a 3/4" diameter hardwood dowel. It will cme off. Don't overdo it. small whacks, a few mm at a time.

Virtually none of the Mosins in Canada have matching bayonts, sadly. This is because most of these were brokered through Century, whether billboarded or not and Century shipped the bayos separate from the rifles. Other importers like AIM Surplus, Wholesale Guns & Ammo, etc. are selling these stateside with MATCHING bayonets, so like me you should direct your andger toward Century International - the wankers.

When refurbed (and when new) each M91/30 had a matching bayonet fitted and serialized to the rifle. They were not considered interchangeable, relying on an interference fit. In many instances, like yours, the bayo no longer fits the rifle it's been sold with. The Finns got around this on captured 91/30's by reaming the bayos out a thou or two so they would slide on better - though in honesty most finns bayonets were never mounted as the men preferred fighting close-in with Pukkho fighting knives.

Your rifle is a 1944 Izhevsk M91/30, refurbed in the 1960's or 1970's. It got it's laminate stock at that time right before being sent to war reserves. Laminate stocks are, ultimately, much rarer than hardwood stocks - but not currently. Importers know that North American buyers like the laminate stocks and seek them out in the Ukraine for import wherever possible, so there's a glut of them on the market. I think 7/10 is optomistic though. I'd rate them more like a 4/10 personally. The list at 7.62x54R.net is rather out of date and was compiled before laminates were mass-imported early last year.

The white/orange/red lettering was likely done sometime in the 1970's or 1980's by the Soviets, probably to help with inventorying arms stocks - makes the letters easier to read at a glance in the crates. About half the current imports are done like this. Basically, a paint soaked rag was dragged across the serial number, followed by a second wipe with a dry rag. Voila. I don't worry about removing it from my guns as it's not issue-original. Some of mine still have it, others do not. Not worth worrying about. The letering on the rear sight ladder is unusual. I wouldn't call it rare, but definitely uncommon. Not sure why it was done, but maybe one of the refurb shops was doing it. I wouldn't overly exert myself trying to keep it intact though as again, it's not an issue feature.

Your gun definitely got a different bolt body at refurb. The mag floorplate looks like it may be originally matching though. 1944 is a less common year than 1942 or 1943, so that's a nice year to have for a wartime Mosin. 1941 is also less common.

The y in a circle has nothing to do with black powder, but it IS a firing proof mark. All Russian Mosins have it.

How's the bore? On a late rifle like that one, it may be pretty good.
 
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Virtually none of the Mosins in Canada have matching bayonts, sadly. This is because most of these were brokered through Century, whether billboarded or not and Century shipped the bayos separate from the rifles. Other importers like AIM Surplus, Wholesale Guns & Ammo, etc. are selling these stateside with MATCHING bayonets, so like me you should direct your andger toward Century International - the wankers.
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My mosin's bayo has the serial number electro penciled on..is this normal? It fits perfectly anyways..
 
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How's the bore? On a late rifle like that one, it may be pretty good.
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The bore seems to be pretty fantastic. It's about as good as you could expect of a rifle that was made in 1944. It's not mint, but I'd definitely class it as strong and sharp.

Thanks for the info on the rifle Claven. You've proven yourself time and again as incredibly knowledgeable in the know. I appreciate it bud!

The girl in the photo is not my girlfriend. I'm not seeing anyone anymore. That'll change by next week. ;)

It's actually my sister. Touch her and I'll kill yah. :p

Edited to add: I realize this message kinda sounds like I'm going to start dating my sister next week. I'm going to leave it this way for comedic purposes. :cool:
 
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