My new KKW Trainer

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Ok, so it's not a German KKW; however it is pretty cool. Most people I'm sure are familiar with the short JW-25A carbine which is quite prolific in Canada. This is the original LONG version known as the TU-KKW. It is the same length as a K98 Mauser and besides the length it is virtually the same as the JW-25 (known down south as the TU-33/40). I didn't think any of these long rifles made it to Canada but I was lucky to acquire one recently:

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Dr.Lector said:
Nice. So you finaly got one, eh?
What year?
No side rail?
What about the screw holes into the receiver for the side rail?
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Yes, finally. I have been looking for one for quite some time.

Very astute observation about the rail! There is no side rail on this model nor is there provision for a side rail. The stock wood comes right up over where it would normally be. No screw holes either.

I'm not sure how to tell the year on the Jws or the Tus. Is there any way that you've found?
 
jcbruno said:
interesting plinkers i think they look realy cool and for a very neat price i just have a hard time wraping my head around the china thing
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Do you mean for quality or moral reasons? Both are good, I agree. So many of our products are exclusively made in China and the behavior of the government toward the populace is unfortunate.

The action of the TU-KKW uses was copied, perhaps without license, from Brno.

On a side note, the interesting historical aspect to this rifle is that Brno originally made the action for a K-98 trainer by order of the Wehrmacht during the occupation of Czechoslovakia during the second world war. Only prototypes were produced. When the Chinese started to produce this "trainer," they were really just close copies of the original Brno wartime trainer.
 
both reasons i guess i have however often considerd one for myself and it would probably be the only norinco piece in my collection, i have however wonderd about making one out of a cz452 trainer i wonder if this could be done i like your rifle how does it shoot
 
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jcbruno said:
both reasons i guess i have however often considerd one for myself and it would probably be the only norinco piece in my collection, i have however wonderd about making one out of a cz452 trainer i wonder if this could be done i like your rifle how does it shoot
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I'm not sure how she shoots. I don't make it out to the range as much in the winter. I would also be at a loss of why you'd make one out of a 452 when you can buy them ready made at a good price!

I only wish I could add a real KKW or DSM 34 to my collection!
 
TU33/40K98 trainer Chinese repro

soldat16@shaw.caI have one of the TU33/40 with the side rail and optional 2x scope which came with it, not a bad little plinker rifle. I am collecting .22 training rifles and that was why I purchased it several years ago, not bad for the price. Unfortunately I had a B&E 5 years ago and the safe where I had put some of my bolts was stolen along with the bolt to my FN Mauser k98 trainer rifle. What a bummer, I managed to replace the rest of the bolts but am still missing these 2,:( Anyone know where there is access to replacement bolts that can be gotten:confused:, Hate having registered wood and metal clubs only good for spare parts. :mad: Love to be able to take them out to the range again, particulary the FN Mauser which is a great shooter.
 
Oh, that's sad. I always keep my bolts in my rifles. If they take the bolt they might as well have the rifle too!

The FN Mausers were newly made in Belgium for the Israelis from 1948, although Fabrique Nationale never listed Israel as a customer! They are nice rifles. Does yours have the bayonet lug? What about a cleaning rod?
 
skirsons said:
I'm not sure how to tell the year on the Jws or the Tus. Is there any way that you've found?
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I am sorry, I do not know of any way of finding the manufacturing year.
Theoretically, Navy Arms may know in what year it was imported,
but it's a very long shot.

I do not want to guess wrong,
but because yours does not have the side rail,
it might be an early model,
but it's only a gut feeling, not based on anything.
You will find a lot of BS on internet,
including KKW's/TU's being imported in US as early as mid 60's
but remember US and China did not have economical relations
between the Korean War and 1971.





skirsons said:
On a side note, the interesting historical aspect to this rifle is that Brno originally made the action for a K-98 trainer by order of the Wehrmacht during the occupation of Czechoslovakia during the second world war. Only prototypes were produced. When the Chinese started to produce this "trainer," they were really just close copies of the original Brno wartime trainer.
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I thought all production of Mauser .22's (that includes KKW)
ended at the beginning of the war, 1939.
It served it's purpose, fooling the Allies
(the 22's and sporters were not regulated by Versailles).
Czechoslovakia produced parts for real Mausers (8x57) during the war.
Brno #1 came AFTER the war, 1945 or so
and it was not intended to be a trainer, but a sporter.
Yes, I do believe the Brno #1 action
was inspired from KKW and predecessors,
but I am one of the very few that believes that.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1855064#post1855064
To my knowledge, the Czechs did not produced trainers,
at any time, before, during or after the war.
They did produced full size copies since 1920's, though.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1860015#post1860015
 
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Dr.Lector said:
I thought all production of Mauser .22's (that includes KKW)
ended at the beginning of the war, 1939.
It served it's purpose, fooling the Allies
(the 22's and sporters were not regulated by Versailles).
Czechoslovakia produced parts for real Mausers (8x57) during the war.
Brno #1 came AFTER the war, 1945 or so
and it was not intended to be a trainer, but a sporter.
Yes, I do believe the Brno #1 action
was inspired from KKW and predecessors,
but I am one of the very few that believes that.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1855064#post1855064
To my knowledge, the Czechs did not produced trainers,
at any time, before, during or after the war.
They did produced full size copies since 1920's, though.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1860015#post1860015
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The BRNO #1 action was designed to be a training rifle, not a sporter, and not a martial-styled rimfire to circumvent Versailles. Note that the (post Versailles) KKWs were the first to have the bayonet lug, which early Versailles (DSM34) trainers could not have.

The first BRNO #1 rifles produced after the war used stockpiled wartime receivers originally intended for the training rifle that never went past the prototype stage. Some early No. 1s have the waffenamt marking tgf on the receiver, proving they were manufactured during the occupation.

Brno was slated to produce a Wehrmacht trainer but due to wartime pressures, Brno was ordered to produce more urgently needed weapons.
 
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