My new (old) Mosin Nagants. Also some good questions for Mosin experts

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Hi all,

So today I went to the Army Navy Store in Halifax and they had some Hex receiver Mosin Nagants with matching bayonets for 160$ each (and the ones I got are all matching no forced matched parts). So I bought two (they said that they got in the last crate of 20, 15 Hex receivers so if your in Halifax looking for one, not a bad deal).
They are a 1922 Izhevsk and a 1928* (we will go into the 1928 in a moment, its actually a pretty unique one). Here is what the two look like together.



Two pics of the 1922's receiver (note that it still has the Imperial Russian writing on the receiver (that is the 'B' attached on the last word) before the it changed to the USSR writing).





Now getting into the 1928 Izhevsk. It has a 1921 Tula Receiver that was worked by Izhevsk in 1928 for some reason (the Tula markings are under the writing and on the tang). I was thinking maybe it was just a rework of a earlier rifle or maybe it was a 91/30 prototype (as 1928 is pretty close to when they officially adopted the 91/30). The other thing that is weird about it is it has a wood piece glued onto the stock just after the tang so was there any Mosin Nagants with a longer tang (as that is the only explanation I could think of)?









Thanks for looking, any information that can be provided is appreciated.
 
Nice price!

I'm jelly, I've been looking out for hex receivers lately.

I can't contribute, but I share your curiosity regarding the filled in piece of wood.

Nice deal you got there!
 
Very nice! The 1922 is quite interesting - the civil war era rifles are a neat collecting niche unto themselves. With regards to the stock fix - I don't recall any Mosins with longer tangs, and it is likely just a stock repair to a cracked stock or a chipped piece done during refurb.
 
Check the date under the tang. Barrel could have one date, receiver another date.
Matching numbers may also not necessarily mean original parts. Worn out parts were sometimes replaced with new (at the time) parts and stamped to match.
Nice rifles regardless. Enjoy them.
 
There was a fair amount of receiver recycling during the 20's so you will find many earlier built into later rifles. The practice was continued till the end of mosin production but was most prevalent during 1920's production.
 
desporterizer said:
There was a fair amount of receiver recycling during the 20's so you will find many earlier built into later rifles. The practice was continued till the end of mosin production but was most prevalent during 1920's production.
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I always thought the Finns were the main ones to recycle the receivers, you learn something new every day. I just felt it was odd to get a 1921 receiver manufactured by Tula reworked into a 1928 Izhevsk.
 
The wood insert behind the tang is a repair on a cracked wrist. It is common place for mosin nagants to crack there when the recoil lugs are not seated properly or the stocks shrink as the wood dries out and the tangs start absorbing the recoil.

The reason for your tula and izhevsk marked reciever dated to 1928 is most likely because it was rearsenaled from a 1891 rifle (made in 1921) into a dragoon or cossac rifle in 1928 after the gun saw use in the russian civil war and or conflict with Poland in its original configureation.
Dragoon Rifles were intended for use by Dragoons (mounted infantry). They were 2.5"shorter and 1#lb lighter than the M1891. The Dragoon rifle's dimensions are identical to the later M1891/30 rifle, and most Dragoon rifles were eventually reworked into M1891/30s. Most such rifles, known to collectors as "ex-Dragoons", can be identified by their pre-1930 date stampings, but small numbers of Dragoon rifles were produced from 1930 to 1932 and after reworking became impossible to distinguish from purpose-built M1891/30s.
Cossack Rifles were introduced for Cossack horsemen, it is almost identical to the Dragoon rifle but is sighted for use without a bayonet. These rifles were also issued without a bayonet.
 
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I would say you got a real good deal. I would buy any pre-1930 Mosin for 169.00 unless the barrel was tied in a bow.
 
Great deal on some beautiful pieces... Wish we had some like this out here on the Left Coast... Guess I'll have to be satisfied with 22 celsius and sun at 6:30 at night!!

You may already know, but here is the best online resource for Mosins: http://7.62x54r.net/

I also encourage you pick up a copy of The Mosin-Nagant Rifle by Terry Lapin.

Enjoy!
 
I already have the Mosin-Nagant rifle by Terence Lapin, and it is a great reference book. That's how I found out about the imperial writing on the 1922 Mosin as opposed to the Soviet Writing. I am very tempted to go pick up another one or two as it is a pretty good price.
 
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