my SP01 or M&P40 for production

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I have the early version of the SP01 (safety, not decocker), and a M&P 40.

I've shot both in IPSC/production.

I don't like the double actin first shot of the CZ, but I think I shoot it better.. more accurately beyond that. No 'double action' issues with the M&P.

Reloads are good with both (maybe M&P has slight edge).

Trying to decide which one to concentrate on, and get the most practise with.

They are both recognized as good production/IPSC guns, but I have been all summer trying to decide which one is best for me. It is hard to say which one I'm better with.

Perhaps I'm not asking the right questions of myself.

Any tips.........??
 
I think your first instinct is right. With a DA/SA, only the first shot is a "problem" and I'd rather deal with one double action shot than 10-32 mushy shots.

Besides simply practicing the trigger pull, I cope by trying to make sure my first target on every stage is a full target. I just square off to it where possible, and keep that front sight centered as I draw through the double action.
 
I spent the summer shooting IPSC with my M&P and used it a couple of times in IDPA SSP when not using my Tanfoglio "L" in ESP. I just moved to the Shadow for next year in both sports.

The M&P is a very nice reliable pistol and at the ranges we shoot at very accurate. Even with minor loads though I find recoil to be much easier to control with the heavier steel pistols. I am waiting on a friend to do a trigger job for me on my M&P. Right now the trigger pull is not nearly as smooth as my Shadow/Tanfoglio. The M&P is faster to drive than the heavier steel guns and my reloads are also just a bit faster with the M&P.

I will continue to use the Tanfoglio in ESP in IDPA. It is to heavy for SSP, a division I want to play in IDPA next year.

Take Care

Bob
 
Of the two, choose the SP-01. It has considerable competitive advantages over the M&P.

Tapered Mags, better trigger, better sights; heavier to minimize felt recoil, better factory support.

Whatever the story CZ spins on it; the SP-01 was designed for compeititon. Whereas the M&P was designed with a different purpose in mind...;)
 
Here is what Sean wrote on another thread. A very good read if you missed it. The M&P .40cal is designed as a duty pistol so Sean's comments are appropriate.

Originally Posted by Freedom Ventures:

"IPSC Production (and I or CDPA and every other gun sport) is target shooting. You can call it as close to duty or defensive or reality as you want, but in essence, you're target shooting. Hence the difference.

Duty guns put in close-up fixed sights, which are fine for the gun under stress at 5-7 feet, but useless in hitting a pepper popper at 15m on the run compared with a set of target sights. Target sights, on the other hand - are more susceptible to damage due to lots of parts.

Duty guns have heavy triggers to compensate for life-in jeopardy-adrenaline pumped motor skills that materialize when you least want them. Target pistols have fine triggers. Paper doesn't shoot back. Gun sports are never the same no matter what fantasy some might spin in the stage design and briefing.

Duty guns are designed with a lifetime round count of 20-30K rounds. Ask an average cop how many round he puts through his pistol and he'll ask you what the qualification round count was - and yes, I know some guns go longer but that is thier specs to meet. Competition guns are designed with a far greater life in mind. STI expects you'll shoot an Edge 20K round a year or more.

Competition guns get cleaned before and after competition. They travel in nice cases and live in nice safes, duty guns go in holsters, and sometimes stay in there for months, being dragged into every environment known to man, again only getting cleaned at qualification time. A Competitive shooter treats his gun carefully - he wants to shoot. An average cop considers it more weight on his belt, and generally a PITA - he'd rather not have to shoot it.

The closer you move "duty" people to intensive shooting, the more they ditch the traditional "duty" gun and go to something more competition oriented. There's a few special forces organizations that use the STI Tactical, a slight derivative of the EDGE. At thier level of proficiency, they properly maintain these tools and in a firefight, they don't tense up like the average cop. They're also less likely to get sued after a shooting. There is even a a SWAT team in Asia using IPSC race guns as entry weapons.

And finally, there's always the budget - competition shooters have a far bigger budget than a police force for firearms, so target shooters can simply afford better."

Take Care

Bob
 
I have the early version of the SP01 (safety, not decocker), and a M&P 40.

I've shot both in IPSC/production.

I don't like the double actin first shot of the CZ, but I think I shoot it better.. more accurately beyond that. No 'double action' issues with the M&P.

Reloads are good with both (maybe M&P has slight edge).

Trying to decide which one to concentrate on, and get the most practise with.

Check this site: http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com/M&Ptriggerjob1.htm

It'll show you how to take apart the M&P to do some polishing of parts... If you follow all the instructions you'll probably make it illegal for production class shooting.... Instructions are stupid simple and I got my M&P40 down to 3 or 4LB with only file and ceramic stone

-ian
 
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