My thoughts on starting out

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I would eventually like to get into precision shooting, I figured I should start with a entry level bolt action to get as much trigger time as possible

I only have a 200yrd range now, but may join a different club with a 300yrd range

I've narrowed it down to a Remington 783, or a Savage Axis ll, allowing me more money to spend on glass

I was going to start with 223, but 22-250 sounds like more fun, not interested in bigger calibers at the moment, just practice

I would be reloading either calibers

Am I thinking straight or out to lunch?


Thanks Mark
 
Are the axis or 783 robust enough and weighty enough to want/hold up to a high volume of shooting? I'd sooner see someone buy a used anything else. A used sps?
 
Whatever you do start with good components.I would have saved myself a lot of money and grief if I spend some money on good lapua or Norma brass right at the start.
 
A 223 would be a better choice. Ammo will be cheaper and if you choose a rifle with a 1-7 or 1-8 barrel, you can shoot heavier bullets that will shoot better at longer ranges.

A 22-250 will use almost twice the powder of a 223 and even if you are reloading, powder costs are one of the most significant components of your loads.
 
I too suggest the 223, the 22 250 will be beat it in drop and drift, but you will pay for it in barrel life. And most factory 22 250 aren't fast twist barrels so you lose the ability to shoot heavier bullets.

Buy the 783, or look for a used savage or stevens, or even check out the Ruger American, the predator versions have slightly heavier barrels and I haven't heard a bad thing about how they shoot yet.
They are limited in aftermarket support at the moment, Timney makes a trigger and Boyds makes some stocks, as far as I know that's about it at the moment.
 
If the 783 has a 1:9 twist I would go with that..
I would use Hornady 75 gr. BTHP from Higgison in 600 pc. bulk pack and over 25 gr. of Varget..
Not sure but I think the Axis has a 1:9 twist but check and make sure before you buy..
I have a RAR Compact 1:8 twist and it an accurate and fun rifle to shoot..
I would recommend a RA Predator a heavier version of the RAR but they are running over $600.00 these days which might put a crimp on your budget compared to the 783 and Axis..
 
nrut said:
If the 783 has a 1:9 twist I would go with that..
I would use Hornady 75 gr. BTHP from Higgison in 600 pc. bulk pack and over 25 gr. of Varget..
Not sure but I think the Axis has a 1:9 twist but check and make sure before you buy..
I have a RAR Compact 1:8 twist and it an accurate and fun rifle to shoot..
I would recommend a RA Predator a heavier version of the RAR but they are running over $600.00 these days which might put a crimp on your budget compared to the 783 and Axis..
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The 783 in 223 has a 1:12 twist with a 22" barrel,
What bullet weight would you suggest? 55 grain?
 
Pr589 said:
A 223 would be a better choice. Ammo will be cheaper and if you choose a rifle with a 1-7 or 1-8 barrel, you can shoot heavier bullets that will shoot better at longer ranges.

A 22-250 will use almost twice the powder of a 223 and even if you are reloading, powder costs are one of the most significant components of your loads.
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Not really, the .223 with heavies will burn 25gr. The 22-250 burns 35 with the same bullets.

Bullets and primers are the same price, so the real difference is brass. Bulk lots of 223 brass can be had letting you weight sort out a couple hundred uniform cases. Usually can have a 1000 brass for about $100.00. 22-250 is hard to come by. The best answer is Lapua for about $1.00 a piece.
 
msbont said:
The 783 in 223 has a 1:12 twist with a 22" barrel,
What bullet weight would you suggest? 55 grain?
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I don't think a 1:12 will stabilize a Hornady 68gr. BTHP (.355 B.C.) BUT never tried it so I don't really know..
The next best B.C. is a Hornady 53gr. V-Max (.290 B.C.)..

The reason I suggest Hornady is they usually cheaper price wise and they are generally available..
Plus they are accurate in my rifles..
So are Sierras when you can find them..

To be frank I won't buy another .223 that didn't have a 1:9 twist or faster..
But inside 300 yds a 1:12 won't hurt you that bad shooting lower B.C. bullets..
 
nrut said:
I don't think a 1:12 will stabilize a Hornady 68gr. BTHP (.355 B.C.) BUT never tried it so I don't really know..
The next best B.C. is a Hornady 53gr. V-Max (.290 B.C.)..

The reason I suggest Hornady is they usually cheaper price wise and they are generally available..
Plus they are accurate in my rifles..
So are Sierras when you can find them..

To be frank I won't buy another .223 that didn't have a 1:9 twist or faster..
But inside 300 yds a 1:12 won't hurt you that bad shooting lower B.C. bullets..
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Cabelas states a 1:12 twist but I went on the Remington site they state a 1;9 twist rate

I ended up purchasing the 783 in a 223, and bought a Vortex Crossfire ll 6 x 24 x 50 scope

I will post results when everything is shipped and assembled

Thanks for all your help

Mark
 
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