Mystery Bayonets - Info???

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Hey guys, I've got these three bayonets I purchased at an auction and I don't know squat about them. Can anyone tell me what they are and approximate value please. I'll explain them in order.

The first is a spike bayonet which is in fair condition, 18" long total, opening for barrel is 7/8" across, no markings at all. Looks just plain old.

The second one appears in excellent condition, blade appears as new; not sharp and never sharpened, blade length is 11 7/8", scabbard as new, on the blade is a superimposed RC, and on hilt a worn SN # P8###X (the X's are things I can't make out, not to hide anything).

The third has a working spring loaded lug at the end of the handle and is in overall very good condition. The blade is greasy but appears to have not been sharpened or tampered with, blade is 9 7/8" long and in excellent condition. On the base of the blade is marked ARTILLERIA Fsa TOLEDO 1904 and on the hilt is SN# AZ5035. The scabbard is in overall good shape, SN # 5144 (not matching, but close).

Thanks in advance.

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1- Could be many things, without close-ups of neck of blade and shank, locking ring and the sight slot imposible to tell.

2- Italian Carcano 1891 bayonet, scabbard is a for a US Krag bayonet.

3- Spanish 1893 short bayonet for the Mauser 1893 Rifle.
 
1- Without more info $40.00 to $50.00, I suspect it might be Belgian or Swiss.

2- Carcano Bayonet without scabbard $50.00, Krag scabbard $75.00.

3- Spanish 93 with scabbard about $60.00
 
Mystery Bayonet

I think the top socket bayonet, is a U.S. Rifle-Musket M 1855/70 style bayonet.
It fits the style and looks like it matches the dimensions in some of my books.

The way to tell if a socket bayonet is for a muzzle loader or breach loader.
Hold it up and look through the socket if the blade curves away from the socket it is most likely a muzzle loader. The reason for the curve is to avoid injuring the soldiers hand when reloading with the bayonet on the gun. If the blade is in line with the socket it is probably for a breach loader as the soldier doesn't have to reload through the muzzle.

To properly identify it requires the following dimensions:
U.S. Rifle-Musket M 1855/70
Blade length 18"
Blade Width 3/4"
Socket Length 3"
Socket O. D. 29/32"
Socket I. D. 25/32"
Shank Length 1 3/16"

Peabody Rifle M 1867
Blade length 21"
Blade Width 3/4"
Socket Length 2 58"
Socket O. D. 27/32"
Socket I. D. 25/32"
Shank Length 1 3/16"

You might want to check the following bayonets out as well: Blade lengths are included.

Remington M 1866/71 18"
Remington M 1866/71 Long 21 - 21 3/4"
U.S. Cadet Rifle M 1868/69 14"
U.S. Rifle M 1873 18"

The one feature that I think indicates it is a US bayonet is the shape of the blade where it connects to the Shank. The blade tapers in toward the shank I don't recall any other country adopting that style. Look at the bottom picture of the close ups of the blade and shank.

The price depends upon the bayonet. It could run from $60 to a few hundred depending upon the bayonet.

Hope this helps.

Albayo
 
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Thanks to everyone who helped me with these bayonets.

They have been identified as:

1-U.S. Rifle-Musket M 1855/70 (muzzle loader by the slant on blade)

2- Italian Carcano 1891 bayonet, scabbard is a for a US Krag bayonet.

3- Spanish 1893 short bayonet for the Mauser 1893 Rifle.

You CGN'ers are great!
 
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