N.B. Whitetail harvest one of the worst

Quebec deer harvest results for 2015 huge drop from 2014

http://www.mffp.gouv.qc.ca/english/wildlife/statistics/index.jsp

Hold on there....the hunt is not over yet(Muzzeloader still in progress)...Quebec's statistics should not be looked at until a few months have passed. Look at the stats around March 2016, and compare the latest figures (Nov 25/15). You may be surprised!. There is always a long lag until FINAL results come in. Deer herd healthy where I hunted.
Look at the date of the posting for 2014 results.
 
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We have many many deer here just north of the border south of Sherbrooke. First time I ever seen bucks on my place in 8 years even and one place they say this has been the first time they seen a buck there ever. BP season is for does only here. Time will tell how long the deer numbers hold up but it helps that a lot of guys are planting rye and winter wheat on the corn fields for the winter lately makes for more winter feed plus the warm weather made the hay fields grow a bit later before they froze.
 
No suprise with the winters we both put in the last two years. It is no better down this way
Many parts of this province should not have even allowed a deer season but yet they still allow two tags and a doe draw.
Unreal. They don't have a clue or don't care
Cheers

I was thinking the same thing. Feet upon feet of snow last year couldn't have been any good for the deer population.
 
Actually, waiting for nature to go through all of its succession paths is not good for the forest, wildlife or the forest industry. Spraying ensures conifer renewal comes back which is the main product used by the forest industry, I can guarantee your house isn't made of poplar or birch 2x4s. The industry actually prefers not to spray, it is an additional cost to them, however their forest management plans have specific goals for conifer renewal. If it is crownland I can guarantee you, as the public, have had a chance to comment on the forest prescriptions for areas of interest to you, some blocks don't get sprayed because of adjacent landowner concerns.

Conifer dominated forest stands provide valuable late winter habitat for deer and moose and other wildlife. In Ontario poor past silviculture practices and wildlife habitat goals have resulted in a forest that is over dominated by hardwood and mixed woods, therefore there are targets to increase conifer renewal.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has a little more insight into this topic. Getting old hearing, no deer, ban Irving, arguments...or lack there of.
 
The 2015 New Brunswick deer harvest was one of the worst on record and possibly the second worst ever recorded. Estimates from the DNR show that harvest was down 38 per cent from 2014, with only 4,313 deer killed in the month long season, and 49,000 hunters.
This season almost ties with the abysmal harvest of 2001, which was 4,314 deer harvested. The worst season on record was in 1973, when 4,273 were registered.
The harvest peaked in 1985 with more than 31,000 deer registered.

Maybe all the skilled hunters left the province for work......?
 
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Actually, waiting for nature to go through all of its succession paths is not good for the forest, wildlife or the forest industry. Spraying ensures conifer renewal comes back which is the main product used by the forest industry, I can guarantee your house isn't made of poplar or birch 2x4s. The industry actually prefers not to spray, it is an additional cost to them, however their forest management plans have specific goals for conifer renewal. If it is crownland I can guarantee you, as the public, have had a chance to comment on the forest prescriptions for areas of interest to you, some blocks don't get sprayed because of adjacent landowner concerns.

Conifer dominated forest stands provide valuable late winter habitat for deer and moose and other wildlife. In Ontario poor past silviculture practices and wildlife habitat goals have resulted in a forest that is over dominated by hardwood and mixed woods, therefore there are targets to increase conifer renewal.


Right……Cause the thousands or tens of thousands of years before our current forestry practices, the deer herds and the whole ecosystem was completely out of whack!

Okay sure…
 
How is it then, that in far northern Ontario, a place where only conifer trees live and hardwoods do not exist, that there has been an explosion in the deer population? I mean seriously, the red lake/Kenora region, a place full of rock, swamp, spruce trees and moss can support deer? They survive there quite well, and have been thriving in the last 5 years....hrrrmmmmmm?
 
In Manitoba, the forestry department has a program called "Manitoba Model Forest". The forest consists of thousands upon thousands of acres of monoculture red pine or jack pine saplings planted at even spacing of about 6 feet and in perfect rows. It is essentially a wheat field of softwoods for the pulp and paper mill in Pine Falls, which has since closed. The plantation consists of one species planted at the same time, making the stand uniform in species, spacing, and age. Belair provincial forest or Sandilands are good examples of areas where this technique is applied in Manitoba.

There is little to no undergrowth below the canopy, and therefore there is little to no browse (food) or cover for any animals of any kind. There are even very few insects in these areas. These areas are specifically designed to produce wood for pulp mills and are the current model of production in Canada today. The trees are on a 20, 30, or 40 year harvest schedule and therefore these plantations will never be in a decomposition stage, which is so critical to providing habitat for mushrooms, owls, woodpeckers, squirrels, other fur bearers and bears (large dead trees make good dens).

Before I purchased my 470 acres of Manitoba interlake lakefront with over 200 acres of mixed old growth hardwood and softwood timber, I would avoid hunting these areas because they were dead zones. On my property I practice Quality Deer Management and I see rabbits, ruffed grouse, deer, elk and bears consistently. I now have a chance to manage things the way I want them done. Not the way the forestry industry wants it done. I have more than 8 bucks on the property including an up and comer 3 1/2 year old and a 4 1/2 year old shooter, who will if he lives through the winter, poaching, and Indians, be on next years hit list.

If you want to improve your hunting opportunities, take the next step and become a landowner, steward, and conservationist. At the least, work with a willing landowner to achieve your goals. And please join your local conservation organisation so hunters have a vioce against large corporations and our own government who aren't at all interested in environmental stewardship.
 
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Right……Cause the thousands or tens of thousands of years before our current forestry practices, the deer herds and the whole ecosystem was completely out of whack!

Okay sure…

I have actually started responding to a few posts in this thread but ended up deleting what I started to write, because trying to explain forestry and spraying to non-forestry people is like trying to tell an anti-gunner why we need to own handguns, there are lots of good reasons but they refuse to acknowledge any argument but the ones they believe to be true.

First and foremost I am speaking from an Ontario foresters perspective, NB probably has different policies but I am sure they are similar to Ontario's in the most significant ways.

On Crownland foresters manage the forest to grow a variety of habitats, we don't manage the forest to grow the deer herd. The video with the biologist above seems accurate, what he fails to mention is that much of the failure on crown land to manage for wildlife was his responsibility back when he was a government biologist. Perhaps he did fight hard as a civil servant for the deer herd, but was ignored, because we do not manage forests for one wildlife species.

Past logging practices were basically cut and run, there was always more timber over the next hill to cut. As a result forests were left to naturally renew, conifer forests moved to more mixed woods, mixed woods become more hardwood dominated and hardwood forests stayed hardwoods. While clearcuts do remove trees similar to a forest fire there are big differences, one of the main ones being that fire can effectively kill hardwood and give conifer species a big advantage at regenerating. So if a jack pine stand burns you are pretty much guaranteed a fully stocked jack pine stand, spruce is similar. When you clearcut a similar forest stand any hardwood in the block will generally survive and become a significant component of the next stand.

Historical inventories show northern forests were largely conifer dominated, government policy is to move back to that historical condition. In the 80s we did manage forests to increase moose habitat to make hunters happy, which worked, however it has driven woodland caribou from much of it historic range. So with this change in policy, if we cut a relatively pure conifer stand we try to get it to come back as conifer, if we have a mixed wood we try to bump it back towards more conifer, if we have a pure hardwood stand it is left to come back as hardwood or we may try some interventions to increase the conifer component by a few percentage points. We manage the forest composition. Spraying is one tool that is used to manage the composition. Generally we spray to slow down competing species so the conifers can get established. Depending on a lot of factors, sometimes the spray just slows down the hardwoods which allows the conifer to grow, other times it nukes all the hardwoods.

On private land there is generally no government oversight so it can be managed to the landowners desires. If they want to manage for deer they can. Private land forestry is usually very similar to the old cut and run practices of the past on crown land. Not much thought or effort is put into forest renewal, as a result lots of hardwood and woody shrub species comes back. Hardwood makes very good habitat for deer during the growing season and in moderate winters. In hard winters conifer provides important cover, which hardwood does not, and can make the difference between survival or decimation of a deer herd.
 
I have actually started responding to a few posts in this thread but ended up deleting what I started to write, because trying to explain forestry and spraying to non-forestry people is like trying to tell an anti-gunner why we need to own handguns, there are lots of good reasons but they refuse to acknowledge any argument but the ones they believe to be true.

First and foremost I am speaking from an Ontario foresters perspective, NB probably has different policies but I am sure they are similar to Ontario's in the most significant ways.

On Crownland foresters manage the forest to grow a variety of habitats, we don't manage the forest to grow the deer herd. The video with the biologist above seems accurate, what he fails to mention is that much of the failure on crown land to manage for wildlife was his responsibility back when he was a government biologist. Perhaps he did fight hard as a civil servant for the deer herd, but was ignored, because we do not manage forests for one wildlife species.

Past logging practices were basically cut and run, there was always more timber over the next hill to cut. As a result forests were left to naturally renew, conifer forests moved to more mixed woods, mixed woods become more hardwood dominated and hardwood forests stayed hardwoods. While clearcuts do remove trees similar to a forest fire there are big differences, one of the main ones being that fire can effectively kill hardwood and give conifer species a big advantage at regenerating. So if a jack pine stand burns you are pretty much guaranteed a fully stocked jack pine stand, spruce is similar. When you clearcut a similar forest stand any hardwood in the block will generally survive and become a significant component of the next stand.

Historical inventories show northern forests were largely conifer dominated, government policy is to move back to that historical condition. In the 80s we did manage forests to increase moose habitat to make hunters happy, which worked, however it has driven woodland caribou from much of it historic range. So with this change in policy, if we cut a relatively pure conifer stand we try to get it to come back as conifer, if we have a mixed wood we try to bump it back towards more conifer, if we have a pure hardwood stand it is left to come back as hardwood or we may try some interventions to increase the conifer component by a few percentage points. We manage the forest composition. Spraying is one tool that is used to manage the composition. Generally we spray to slow down competing species so the conifers can get established. Depending on a lot of factors, sometimes the spray just slows down the hardwoods which allows the conifer to grow, other times it nukes all the hardwoods.

On private land there is generally no government oversight so it can be managed to the landowners desires. If they want to manage for deer they can. Private land forestry is usually very similar to the old cut and run practices of the past on crown land. Not much thought or effort is put into forest renewal, as a result lots of hardwood and woody shrub species comes back. Hardwood makes very good habitat for deer during the growing season and in moderate winters. In hard winters conifer provides important cover, which hardwood does not, and can make the difference between survival or decimation of a deer herd.


Thank you for the insight. I think most of us understand this, however it seems that here in New Brunswick what we see a lot of is what appears to be the nuking of the hardwoods! This practice is only advantageous for one thing, profit for the logging companies/government.
 
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