Need 50m zeroing target for .308 hunting rifles

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Hi there,

Before the deer hunting season, I need to zero two .308 hunting rifles.
First one is my buddy's Birmingham .308 bolt action topped with a Burris 3x9 scope and the other is my Norinco M14-S, with iron sights.
I think we both gonna use some plain jane Win 147-150 gr soft-points.

Where can I find zeroing targets (50m or maybe 25m) that will match up line-of-sight and bullet impact at about 75m and 200m ?
Would be great if those targets be online (ex: printable pdf files)

thanks :)
 
if you plan on shooting at deer at 200 meters while hunting, shoot your rifle at the range at 200 meters before hand
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Actually, I'ld shoot it to 300M and everything in between just in case the Dhali Lama of deer ever gives me a less than opportunistic shot....sorry, I like to be prepared for more than the norm in most hunting situations...
 
You can't sight in your buddy's rifle for him. He has to do it himself for his eye and the way he shoots. Then sight them both in 3.5" high at 100 yards off a bench, not 25 or 50, and you'll be on the kill zone of a deer out to about 300 yards. Sighting in targets can be had in any gun shop. Le Barons should have 'em.
 
Some folks may not have access to sand bags and bench rests to ascertain the type of accuracy that is occurring out at 100 yards. And they may be poor shots. And they may not have a spotting scope. They end up wasting a lot of time and bullets. Then they get frustrated. I see it frequently.

With a scope, bang on at 25 may equate to 1" high at 100. But check.

With irons, your buddy should do it.

I would just go buy some Precision Sight-In Targets with 1" grid patterns.
 
Fall Guy said:
Some folks may not have access to sand bags and bench rests to ascertain the type of accuracy that is occurring out at 100 yards. And they may be poor shots
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then they have no business considering hunting shots past 75 yards
 
todbartell said:
then they have no business considering hunting shots past 75 yards
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I am glad you said it. My first reaction was not very 'friendly' either.

How many guys do you know that hunt and do not go to any range and practice? I know more that don't go then do go. :mad: Oh look, here is another one.....

There are two types of hunters - the "It was me" and the "It must be the rifle".
 
as a guesstimate, Id say half of big game hunters in BC shoot less than 30 rounds of centerfire ammo a year, and thats mainly a lil sight in a day before they hunt. Some shoot only a handful of rounds, at a pizza box 40 yards away in a gravel pit, resting over the hood of their truck. Some probably dont even shoot at anything but deer and moose. "Waste" of shells.

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Ok, i'll explain a bit more.

First, my buddy will shoot his own rifle (i won't shoot it for him).
I simply wanted to say that two different rifles had to be zeroed.

Second, the bolt-action rifle had her scope mounted recently and I don't know if it was bore-sighted (hence when start at 25m just to be sure we'll see the bullet impact). Of course, if we have the chance to bore-sight, we'll do it. Also, we won't be at a conventional range (no bench or sandbags). Just prone, on a shooting mat, with the rifle resting on some gear bag.

Third, i just put new USGI elev./win. knobs on my M14-S and as we all know, it's impossible to bore-sight an M14.

Fourth, we'll be hunting at my buddy's cottage, in dense bush (Shefford county near Bromont, in QC). Maybe you don't know the area, but it's quite residential (houses all-around, about 500m perimeter).
At that forest, there's no way where gonna make a shot at more than 75m.
We don't have access to open areas (agricultural lands).

This is why i wanted to start zeroing at 25m-50m.

I also thought it might be useful to post links to free printable targets.

Found some nice ones at
http://www.targetz.com
http://www.mytargets.com
http://www.uspalma.com/

P.S. 1:
Fortunately, we have access to 100m-300m, and we will try those distance after initial sighting. But you must agree that it's sometimes difficult to find a decent shooting range with 200m or more (specially in QC).

P.S. 2:
I'm an ethical hunter and refuse to go hunting without practice or an un-zeroed rifle.
 
Your first post asked.


Where can I find zeroing targets (50m or maybe 25m) that will match up line-of-sight and bullet impact at about 75m and 200m ?
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now you post

At that forest, there's no way where gonna make a shot at more than 75m.
We don't have access to open areas (agricultural lands).
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Your first post asked about point of impact at 200m,yet your last post states no shots longer than 75m.I am sure that you can understand how people would think that you planned on shooting out to 200 yards.
 
I understand now.

I won't get into it, because I am too lazy to type the whole thing. But I suspected you were going in a different and complex direction of calculating impact points.

Has your question been answered yet??
 
If you want to get on paper, nothing beats the 25 m.
with a 308 if you're dead-on @25 , the same goes for the 100.
the eye difference between people is signifficant only in precission topographic readings. Your POA should be the same with the nest person's.
Another story goes for the POI, which will almost surely be different.
My advice os to sight it in @ 25 and bring it in 2MOA from center @100m, and give the actual hunter to "play " with it. Personal satisfaction will double the fun.

I have buddies that sight in their rifles @ 25 and then go hunting. Most of them prefer the 300WM , of course. I hunt alone.
 
with a 308 if you're dead-on @25 , the same goes for the 100.
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That varies with individual rifles and loads.

I have buddies that sight in their rifles @ 25 and then go hunting. Most of them prefer the 300WM , of course. I hunt alone.
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If I had buddies like that,I would hunt alone too,as I hate tracking wounded animals.
 
The interest in sighting in at 25m to get a 200m zero might have stemmed from the old method of initial sighting of the M14 during basic training in the US army for the 250M "battle-zero".

There are a few major differences though, as this worked reasonably well when everyone was using an identical weapon with identical ammo that had the same trajectory. Our current hunting ammo has completely different trajectories, so an old sight in height won't give the same results with the large variety of commercial loads we use. Another important detail is that later in their training they did practice at those distances and fine tune the "zero" of their rifles at the actual range.

However, as you explained later, simply as a method to get on the paper quickly at a longer range prior to proper sighting and testing at all the ranges in between - sure it makes sense.

There are other short cuts that can help to get on paper too, such as a laser bore sighter and the "one-shot" zero method after that to cut down on the amount you need to shoot during adjustments. But none of these methods take the place of proper practice at all ranges to learn confidently that you will be able to *repeatedly* place the bullet where it needs to go.

From your later post, it sounds like you realize that, so I'll stop preaching now! ;)
 
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