Need A Receipe - 30-06 with 220 Grain RN Bullet

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It's been asked and I've searched the posts, would like some recipes.

30-06
1:10 twist in a 24" barrel
220 Grain Sierra RN
Powders I have:

Varget
IMR 4064
H4831
IMR 4350

I got 1 1/8" groups with 53 grains of IMR4350 using Federal Primers.

Anyone else have success with the above combo's. I want to do up some loads later today and give them a try at the range tomorrow.
 
With heavy bullets for calibre, you want to use slower powders at near maximum loads.

I use 57 grains of H4831 or Win 8 1/2 large rifle primers. Some guys like to use CCI 250 magnum primers with the same load. I haven't noticed any difference between the two accuracy or velocity wise.

My 30-06 that I use for the heavy bullets is a BSA Monarch. The barrel is 22 inches long and the velocities were around 2500fps.

The rifle wouldn't really group decently until I was at 55 grains of powder It tighted up to 1in groups at 57 grains, so I stopped there. That isn't unusual for H4831 or heavy bullet loads.
 
I have been through it.
On Feb. 3, 1992, I chronographed some loads with the Oehler 33 I was then using.
Temperature was 48 degrees F. (nice day!)
Rifle was 30-06 Husqvarna.
Bullets were 220 grain Norma round nose.
Powder was surplus H4831.
Charge was 59 grains.
Average velocity was 2443.
They made a 1 1/4 inch group at 100 yards.

Note:
That particular rifle always took a grain or so more powder to bring it up to speed, than did most 30-06 rifles.
Thus, that velocity would be achieved with most rifles, with a grain less powder.
 
I have also shot game with a 30-06 and CIL, Dominion Brand factory ammo, with 220 grain round nose bullets.
I shot a bull moose through the ribs. The moose trotted off for a bit, but there was a nice streak of cut hair on the snow on the other side of the moose.
A big mule deer was facing me. I shot him in the middle of the chest and it only penetrated half way the length of the deer.
I was disappointed in that result, about exactly the same as a 30-30 would have done, and I don't think I shot any more game with 220 grain bullets.
In my opinion a good 180 grain bullet, like the Copper Pooint Expanding, loaded in Dominion ammunition which I used next, was a better moose bullet.
 
There is not an application in North America where I wouldn't prefer a 200 Partition to any conventional 220 grain offering.
I have shot a number of moose and Elk with the 200 Partition, in the 30-06, and various 300 Magnums [300 H&H, 308 Norma Mag, 30-338, 300 Win.]
I believe I only collected one bullet, the rest made exit, even on angled shots.
It is quite possible to reach 2700 with the 200 P in a 24" 30-06, so trajectory is far superior to the 220 RN design at possibly 2500.
However, if you must shoot 220 grain pills in your 30-06, powders to look at are H4831, Norma MRP, Reloder 22, Vihtavuori N165, IMR 7828 and Accurate 3100.
Regards, Eagleye.
 
Eagleye said:
There is not an application in North America where I wouldn't prefer a 200 Partition to any conventional 220 grain offering.
I have shot a number of moose and Elk with the 200 Partition, in the 30-06, and various 300 Magnums [300 H&H, 308 Norma Mag, 30-338, 300 Win.]
I believe I only collected one bullet, the rest made exit, even on angled shots.
It is quite possible to reach 2700 with the 200 P in a 24" 30-06, so trajectory is far superior to the 220 RN design at possibly 2500.
However, if you must shoot 220 grain pills in your 30-06, powders to look at are H4831, Norma MRP, Reloder 22, Vihtavuori N165, IMR 7828 and Accurate 3100.
Regards, Eagleye.
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Agreed.
And yes, I got an average velocity of 2715 fps, with 200 grain Nosler Partition and Norma 205, in a 30-06.
 
I've been shooting Berger 210gr VLD's with IMR 4350 and RL-17. They are not for everyone, as they do not penetrate as deep as other bullets in large game, but they do create a massive wound cavity about 16"-18" deep, and my rifles love them in terms of accuracy. They also carry their energy incredibly well out to longer distances, if anyone happens to be hunting at long range.

I have been able to get over 2600 fps no problem with the 4350 and around 2700 with the RL-17. Start at 50.0 grains and work up.
 
I don't need to shoot with 220's, just thought it would be nice to develop a round with that bullet. I've loaded 168's and 180's and got some pretty good accuracy.

I felt an accurate 220 grainer might be a great hunting round, but based on some of your results maybe not?

If anyone else has had some success with 220's I would appreciate. I've got 55 rounds left to fire off.
 
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I'm probably opening up a can of worms here but...I have always gone by the rule the bigger the gun the heavier the bullet. 165 in 308, 180 in the '06 and 200+ in the magnums. Every bullet is designed to expand over a specific velocity range. Just because the reloading manual list it, does not mean that it will work reliably.
 
I felt an accurate 220 grainer might be a great hunting round, but based on some of your results maybe not?
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No you are 100% correct it would be the bees knees. Turns an 06 into almost as good a gun as a 6.5mm shooting 160s, a 7mm shooting 175s or an 8mm launching 240s. No one ever complained about too much stabilized sectional denisity. Don't know about the VLDs mentioned above but I would be surprised if a 220 grain .308 slug turned up as an under performer in the penetration department.

BSA built p-17 sporters stamped 220 grain
 
waynewjw said:
H4831 - 57 grains - no joy
Started at 55 gr's, moved up in 0.5 gr increments.
At 100 yds, best group was 2 5/8".

So..... back to the drawing board. Any other suggestions out there?
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Is the twist of your rifle barrel anything more than 1 in 10, by any chance?
 
Count_x said:
I'm probably opening up a can of worms here but...I have always gone by the rule the bigger the gun the heavier the bullet. 165 in 308, 180 in the '06 and 200+ in the magnums. Every bullet is designed to expand over a specific velocity range. Just because the reloading manual list it, does not mean that it will work reliably.
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If it is penetration and weight retention you are after you are better off at the bottom of the velocity range than the top, it is my opinion that is the reason a303 penetrates so well.
 
waynewjw said:
Twist: 1:10
And there may be logic in pushing it out slower, might gain some accuracy. I will be making up some lower powder loads.
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This is opposite to the consensus of opinion of quite a few shooters.
Jack O'Connor started this trend in the late 1960s. He told in Outdoor Life how he put all the H4831 in a 30-06 case he could and foced a 220 bullet in.
He said he was so fascinated by the accuracy that he shot all the bullets he had, just watching them perform.
 
H4831 said:
This is opposite to the consensus of opinion of quite a few shooters. Jack O'Connor started this trend in the late 1960s. He told in Outdoor Life how he put all the H4831 in a 30-06 case he could and foced a 220 bullet in.
He said he was so fascinated by the accuracy that he shot all the bullets he had, just watching them perform.
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Hey H4831, any idea what "all the H4831" would equate to in grns???
 
In my 30-06 the most I ever load is 150 gr sst hornady. I have taken moose bears deer elk. I find the 150 gr in my o6 is just fine. I have shot about 15 moose and 11 elk with that load it dumps them on there butt real fast. usally right where the stand.
 
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