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so im torn between buying a sightron s3 6-24/ 8-32 or a bushnell elite dmr or other varient in the 3.5-21.5 family im currently running a bushnell 10x elite so either will be a big upgrade im looking for repeatability and optical clarity aswell as reticle the bushnell coming with the ffp offering as standard is appealing and offering the horus h59 over the s3 moa ret only being 2fp until u get up to the $1500 mark which is tied with the bushnell.

will be on a .223 pushing 75-77 gr pills out to 600 with the chance to shoot to 900 any advice would be appreciated my budget is around $1400
 
It'd hard to decipher reviews on forums because everyone has thwir own favourites but I was just looking for a similar scope and have heard nothing bad about the Bushnell DMR. Plain Sight Solutions has great prices on them.
 
I don't own either of the scopes; however, when you are talking shooting long range (>500 m) with a .223 the man I always go to is Jerry at Mystic Precision. I know that he has taken .223 out to a mile. He is also a Sightron dealer, so they must be pretty good in this application. My advice would be to contact him and see what he's using. One educated opinion from somebody with his experience might be worth more that all the opinions from us armchair quarterbacks that don't shoot more than 300 with our .223's
 
Sightron S3 falls right in your price range. Lots of F-Class shooters running them. If you're shooting at known ranges, do you need FFP? I know it's the flavor of the day, buy my preference is SFP because the reticle stays thin. On most FFP scopes, the reticle gets fat at the higher magnifications. I don't range targets with my scope so FFP has never appealed to me.
 
I have an S3 6x24 FFP. It's a very well made scope very clear. There is some chromatic aberration at 24x, but only there (slight pink/purple tinge at the edge) but it otherwise tracks perfectly. If anything the only issue I have with it is the reticle is too thin at minimum mag, but that's the price to pay for having it at a good size near max mag.

The Bushnell DMR isn't a bad choice either. A few people I've run into at the range are using it, and they seem happy with it.
 
Viper26 said:
Sightron S3 falls right in your price range. Lots of F-Class shooters running them. If you're shooting at known ranges, do you need FFP? I know it's the flavor of the day, buy my preference is SFP because the reticle stays thin. On most FFP scopes, the reticle gets fat at the higher magnifications. I don't range targets with my scope so FFP has never appealed to me.
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I think you are missing the point of FFP. If he mentions the Horus reticle, I am thinking he is looking for a holdover type configuration. You couldn't pay me enough money to run a SFP scope using holdovers (even at known distances) while I run through the magnification range.


Before we head any further down the rabbit hole, probably best the OP defines how the scope will be used.
 
arcticcathonda said:
I think you are missing the point of FFP. If he mentions the Horus reticle, I am thinking he is looking for a holdover type configuration. You couldn't pay me enough money to run a SFP scope using holdovers (even at known distances) while I run through the magnification range.


Before we head any further down the rabbit hole, probably best the OP defines how the scope will be used.
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With respect, he asked for advise with a budget of $1400. That's exactly what I gave. I don't think I've missed anything.
 
pei precision said:
i shoot at known ranges i liked the idea of the ffp for shot corrections without having to be at full magnification to clear that up not for ranging as well as holdovers at any mag range
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If you have the opportunity I'd suggest looking thru some different scopes at the distance you plan on shooting. FFP has the edge on ranging, windage and holdovers. SFP will give you the finest aiming point at full magnification.
Just my $.02
 
Unless you're shooting a benchrest or F-class rifle off a rest, the ultrafine reticles have zero advantage. There is no advantage of any kind if you're shooting a practical rifle with a regular trigger pull, off a regular bipod.

I can hold on a bullet hole or a staple at 300 yards with my FFP Gen2 XR.



I can quarter the center diamond of that 2" target sticky easily if there isn't any mirage. Having a finer crosshair would have zero advantage. The group from the rifle being shot off a Harris with a simple rear bag and a field-safe trigger pull far exceeds the tiny improvement in aiming a finer crosshair would offer.
 
Viper26 said:
With respect, he asked for advise with a budget of $1400. That's exactly what I gave. I don't think I've missed anything.
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My comment wasn't directed towards the advice you offered, but instead, your understanding for the utility of FFP conveyed in that post. Like kombayotch stated below, unless you are shooting sports where you will be leaving your scope on max power 100% of the time, a FFP scope will likely better serve you.

I had suspected the OP wanted a holdover type solution based on his language, and he has now confirmed that. SFP suggestions should be thrown out the window based on his newly stated criteria.
 
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