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Just got my New Thompson Center ICON in 30-06.

Start reload the 30-06 ammo, but when I use my Hornady die, I find out, after totally press the brass into resizing die, very hard to pull out the brass from the die.

First, I think some thing wrong with case lube, but try the Lee's and RCBS lube, same problem: lots difficulty to pull out the brass.

Brass: Hornady once fired brass.
Press: Hornady press
Die: Hornady custom grade new dimention die.

thanks
 
Try brushing the inside of the neck with a bronze brush, then apply a very small amount of lube to the inside of the neck, the expander ball is likely binding when your pulling it back through. Clean the inside of the neck to remove any lube (tumbling works)
 
I've had the same problem with Hornady dies in .300WSM.
The case resizes with minimal effort and then resists all effort to lower the ram almost to the point of ripping the shellholder through the rim.

The solution?

I bought the Redding Deluxe die set that I should have purchased in the first place.
 
Yeah the couple of sets I have, I find I have to clean the inside of necks (even after tumbling for two days) and polish the expander ball in the die. it improved a fair bit after that, keep the die extra clean. If that doesn't work new die set rcbs or redding
 
DOUGLAS D said:
I bought the Redding Deluxe die set that I should have purchased in the first place.
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Winner! Every time I use one of my Redding die sets I think I should just throw all the others in the garbage and re-equip only with Redding. It's too bad that Redding know their dies are worth more, the price is the only thing stopping me at this point.

Mark
 
DOUGLAS D said:
I've had the same problem with Hornady dies in .300WSM.
The case resizes with minimal effort and then resists all effort to lower the ram almost to the point of ripping the shellholder through the rim.

The solution?

I bought the Redding Deluxe die set that I should have purchased in the first place.
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Good solution. I think i should buy Redding or RCBS die first time.

if not improve I will switch or Redding Resizing Die.
 
wenzou, is it sticking right at the top of the stroke or is it close to the bottom. If it is at the bottom of the stroke it is the expander ball as mentioned above. If this is the case then I am assuming that you know you are supposed to lube the inside of the case neck, even with redding dies. A lot of people, myself included, use dry graphite inside the neck. I use the imperial dry neck lube by redding.
 
I check and see if I am able to load a bullet into a case if it is sized without the expander, it makes a lot less hassle. It works especially well with boat tail bullets. Depending on how small the die makes the neck, it may be too small and then you have to expand. But I don't on a few cartridges.
 
GRiNGo said:
wenzou, is it sticking right at the top of the stroke or is it close to the bottom. If it is at the bottom of the stroke it is the expander ball as mentioned above. If this is the case then I am assuming that you know you are supposed to lube the inside of the case neck, even with redding dies. A lot of people, myself included, use dry graphite inside the neck. I use the imperial dry neck lube by redding.
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With my set of .300 WSM it was the bottom of the stroke as you mention.
However this was once fired brass that was tumbled,neck brushed and lubed with graphite.
Case lube was a very light coat of Imperial sizing wax.
I never went to the trouble of polishing the Hornday expander ball but I did go to the expense of buying the Redding floating carbide expander for the Redding set.
The difference is like night and day.
 
"...able to load a bullet into a case if it is sized without the expander..." Case neck/mouth will be over size if you can.
"...apply a very small amount of lube..." Yep. Doesn't have to be every case, but sticking the case mouth into your lube pad, assuming that's how you're lubing, every 5 or so, makes a difference.
 
Interesting, I do like the redding dies and buy them when I can. For my 300wsm I use hornady dies, the only trouble I had was I had to file a thou or so off the shell holder to bump the sholder enough. I use Lee lube, put a little in a pail with 50-100 brass put the lid on and shake for 20 seconds and all cases are lubed (learned that from Ganderite). Then a little imperial dry graphite inside the neck and good to go.
 
Lube inside of case necks with a Q-Tip and chamfer the inside and outside of the neck before loading .Never had a stuck case in 30 years of reloading and I have Hornady,RCBS and Lyman dies.............Harold
 
mbogo3 said:
Lube inside of case necks with a Q-Tip and chamfer the inside and outside of the neck before loading .Never had a stuck case in 30 years of reloading and I have Hornady,RCBS and Lyman dies.............Harold
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I think a lot of handloaders FL size before trimming and chamfering their once fired brass. (I know I do it in that order)
The issue with the Hornady die isnt so much the case sticking but rather it feeling like its about to tear the case in half as you pull the expander ball back though the neck of the case.

I've got older Hornady dies in 7X57,280 Remington and 6mm Remington that run smooth as butter.
The ones that gave me the trouble are the new generation in the freekin HUGE red box.
 
The expander button on the Hornady dies is more tappered than other brands is it not? Or was that their older dies? I FL size 22-250 Win cases into .250 Savage with Hornady dies and have yet to lose any..................Don't know about the new Zip dies?...Harold.....I meant virgin brass for chamfering the necks as I don't resize them first
 
GRiNGo said:
wenzou, is it sticking right at the top of the stroke or is it close to the bottom. If it is at the bottom of the stroke it is the expander ball as mentioned above. If this is the case then I am assuming that you know you are supposed to lube the inside of the case neck, even with redding dies. A lot of people, myself included, use dry graphite inside the neck. I use the imperial dry neck lube by redding.
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Is in the bottom, I think should be the expander ball.

Do I need change the expender ball? or need lube the inside neck everytime?

thanks
 
ruger22 said:
I heard the Hornady new dimension dies has an excellent floating type seater die.

Have not used them.

Any experences here???
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Its different but I cant say that it offers much of an advantage.
What they offer is a loosely fitted sleeve that drops down to the base of the seating die then rides up with the bullet as you lower the press stroke.
When the sleeve tops out you begin to seat the bullet in the case neck.

If you study one of them you might come to the conclusion that the advantage is its simply a less expensive way to build and sell a seating die as all the die bodies can be machined the same between calibers.

Hornady does pretty much the same with their neck dies as they are sold by neck diameter not specific cartridge.
By that I mean a Hornady 25 caliber neck die does everything from 250 Savage to 25-06.
 
Yes I need to lube inside the case neck for the ball to come through on every case. Without it yes it feels like you are going to pull the case in half. It is like this on my redding, hornady, and rcbs dies.
 
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