If someone out there has a xcr in 7.62 x 39 and a LAR mag could you try the following? I was thinking about getting a xcr in x 39 but am bummed about the lack of mags and only the 5 round mag that comes with it. So since the xcr uses the same mag well for .223 and x 39 then a LAR 15 mag with let's say 8 - 7.62 x39 rounds would be legal. I think they will fit but will they feed? If they don't could a x 39 follower fit and be legal. Just thinkinout loud here, but sometimes that's how we get #### done!
Need help , have idea for x39 in LAR mag
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I have an XCR in 7.62x39 and I have an LAR mag. You can only get about 6-7 rounds in the magazine. The rounds in the magazine were very very stiff. I didn't try shooting out of that magazine because I figured it wouldn't feed well.
Since you planning on getting an XCR, let me give you some advice. If your planning on shooting that czech mill ammo, don't waste your money buying an XCR. Get a CZ858. That mill stuff is all sorts of nasty. It generally doesn't feed well and cases like to stick to the inside of the chamber because the laquer coating acts like a glue and cooks the case and chamber together. In order to get any reliable cycling out of my XCR, i have to have the gas setting to max. Furthermore, that crap is hideously inaccurate. Also, even if you clean your rifle as soon as you finish shooting, you'll still see rust inside your gun. SKSs and CZ858s are designed to fire that ammo reliably. The XCR, not really.
Since you planning on getting an XCR, let me give you some advice. If your planning on shooting that czech mill ammo, don't waste your money buying an XCR. Get a CZ858. That mill stuff is all sorts of nasty. It generally doesn't feed well and cases like to stick to the inside of the chamber because the laquer coating acts like a glue and cooks the case and chamber together. In order to get any reliable cycling out of my XCR, i have to have the gas setting to max. Furthermore, that crap is hideously inaccurate. Also, even if you clean your rifle as soon as you finish shooting, you'll still see rust inside your gun. SKSs and CZ858s are designed to fire that ammo reliably. The XCR, not really.
The reason the x39 ammo in the LAR mag was so tight is because the "crimp ribs"(?) or whatever you call them, on the sides of the magazine are much deeper than those on an actual AR x39 mag. I have an XCR but haven't tried my x39 barrel yet. Disappointing to hear that it doesn't work well with Czech ammo. My 858 can sure chew threw it reliably though.
Over 700 rounds of Czech surplus ammo down the range on gas setting 3 I had yet had an issues with my XCR, in fact I had more issues during my .223 barrel break in period.
If you are that worry about corrosive ammo buy some Gunzilla CLP, Personally I have use nothing but Ed's red in mine without any hit of rust yet, I tend to keep my piston and bolt carrier wet.
I have an XCR in x39 and load 5 into my LAR mags, no problems with function. go more than 5 and it ain't so good.
I shoot all sorts of the Czech in my XCR and have the opposite results of Gobc. funtions fine on #2 gas setting and shoots very consistent 2-3" 100yd groups, almost as good as my winchester white box. no issues with laquer buildup and i have only cleaned in once in the last month with NO rust at all, that being said i keep it lubed to the point of being damn near dripping. buy one and run it hard like a rented mexican moped, you WILL love it
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So what about taking a x39 follower and putting it in the mag? Would it keep the bullet tip up? Also legalality as it may constitute altering the mag? If it works we could have a legal functioning 7 or 8 round mag for the x39 xcr. Note : from reading online is the follower in the x39 mag the same as the 6.8 follower?
Just stick with the 5 round mags, doing all that messing around to get one or two addition two shots out of a LAR mag that might have feed reliability issues is just not worth it, not to mention questionable legality issues.
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What issues? LAR 10 round mags are legal. The law doesn't specify that you have too load them with .223 ammo.Glad to see that other people are having better reliable experiences with XCR's and Czech surplus. I for sure wasnt. I hope I don't have a defective rifle. But either way, surplus ammo is very inaccurate. If you just want to go blasting, get CZ858.
I bought the XCR because I wanted a non restricted AR like gun. I also want some decent accuracy, specifically 1 MOA. Right now i'm planning on getting the 5.56 conversion, and I'm going to get into hand loading. That should be able to get me where I want to be.
As for recemmendations for you, it depends on what you want to do with your gun. If you just want to go blasting at short range, get the CZ858 and cheap czech ammo. If you want to try shooting farther distances consider something else. The ammo is cheap, and you can shoot lots. At short ranges, you won't notice the inacurate ammo. But if you want to shoot larger distance, be prepared to get large groups.
As for putting the x39 follower into a LAR15, I found it didn't help. I measured the inside width of a x39 mag and a LAR15 mag, and the x39 mag was wider. This has a huge effect on how the cases stagger in the magazine. If you want get the most of of LAR15s, you should probably get a 5.56/.223 gun.
What ever you choose, always remember you get what you paid fore. Cheap ammo is cheap for a reason. Either way, I hope your happy with your purchase and have lots of fun. I'm quite a noob to the sport, but this is my 2 cents.
I bought the XCR because I wanted a non restricted AR like gun. I also want some decent accuracy, specifically 1 MOA. Right now i'm planning on getting the 5.56 conversion, and I'm going to get into hand loading. That should be able to get me where I want to be.
As for recemmendations for you, it depends on what you want to do with your gun. If you just want to go blasting at short range, get the CZ858 and cheap czech ammo. If you want to try shooting farther distances consider something else. The ammo is cheap, and you can shoot lots. At short ranges, you won't notice the inacurate ammo. But if you want to shoot larger distance, be prepared to get large groups.
As for putting the x39 follower into a LAR15, I found it didn't help. I measured the inside width of a x39 mag and a LAR15 mag, and the x39 mag was wider. This has a huge effect on how the cases stagger in the magazine. If you want get the most of of LAR15s, you should probably get a 5.56/.223 gun.
What ever you choose, always remember you get what you paid fore. Cheap ammo is cheap for a reason. Either way, I hope your happy with your purchase and have lots of fun. I'm quite a noob to the sport, but this is my 2 cents.
Not when you start taking it apart and change around the followers.
That was my Question. Changing the follower may be illegal I'm not sure, there are people on here who may know a loop hole. But reguardless, putting x39 ammo in a LAR mag is under the same rule of putting 9mm ammo in a glock 40 cal mag into your Glock 9mm. Satain says it works so if we could get a few more people to try it we may be on to somthing.
If you want cheap go with an XCR-L in 7.62 and use C-Product's 5 round mags your just wasting your time trying to mess around with the LAR 223 mags.
You want better accuracy and bulk ammo go with the 223 then you can use the LAR 10 round mags with zero feed issues.
but if you want the best then go with the 6.8spc I am getting 3" 3 shot groups @ 300 yards and 6" 3 shot groups @ 400 yards and with the new Barnes 95gr TTSX bullets that will expand down to 1600fps you have a 400 yard deer hunting rifle combo...
You want better accuracy and bulk ammo go with the 223 then you can use the LAR 10 round mags with zero feed issues.
but if you want the best then go with the 6.8spc I am getting 3" 3 shot groups @ 300 yards and 6" 3 shot groups @ 400 yards and with the new Barnes 95gr TTSX bullets that will expand down to 1600fps you have a 400 yard deer hunting rifle combo...
Good groups cook! I know I'm a tinkering fool and hate changing mags for the 5 round law. Plus I got a chub for anything 30 cal
Patience... we've been working on a 10 round LAR-15 7.62x39 Pistol magazine for some time now. Design and test units were done quite some time ago and production units have now been built. We hope to have RCMP approval in the near future and at that point we can begin offering them for sale.
I won't say much more until approval is officially received... we'll post more info on our website at that time.
Mark
