Need help on pricing for 1917 Lithgow Lee enfield rifle

Emshey

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I am currently in the middle of wheeling and dealing with someone who has a 1917 Lithgow lee enfield rifle, this rifle has NOT been sporterized it has its full stock, serial numbers matching. It comes with its sling and bayonet. Being 1917 and Australian it does NOT have the volley sights or the mag cut off or rear Windage adjustment brass button in the stock as it was made when they needed to produce them faster etc etc. The rifle is in VERY good shape inside and out he is asking 1100 dolllars for it and seems to be firm. I tried doing some research and it was hard to find what to pay for something like this so could anyone help me out? I do think this price is too high but is it reasonable at all or is this price WAY out to lunch?

Thank you all!!

Mike
 
A 1917 Lithgow would of had a cutoff originally, Lithgow made the MkIII with cutoff till early 1918, it might of even had a windage rearsight as 1917 was the last year Lithgow fitted the windage rearsight.
 
All original, never messed with, not rebuilt, no warts, truly very good shape inside and out, with a correct bayonet in the same condition, it could bring that. Prices have been moving upwards. Really nice ones aren't all that common.
What matters is if it is worth it to you.
You aren't going to be rolling it over for a fast profit.
 
I have a 1917 Lithgow as it came out of service . It does not have the magazine cut off. I acquired it a couple of years ago and when I posted about it on here there were several who said the 1917 Lithgow did not have the mag cut off. I was also told at that time it was worth around $500.00. I think $500.000 is on the extreme low end.
 
I'm not sure if the bayonet Is matching number but it is the proper bayonet I am going to see the rifle Friday the guy swears the rifle is damn well mint condition I could maybe get him to 1000 but I can tell he is actually firm
 
Only about 600$ in the real world. I have a completely matching no. 4 mk1, and were I to sell it, I'd only be asking 450$ because that's all it's worth. (No offers to buy please, I'm not selling)

People seem to forget nowadays that old or not, they're still enfields. Still milsurp. One idiot posts a "perfect" example on EE for a huge price, somebody with a diehard collection and too much money swings in and scoops it up, and all the sudden everyone else thinks that old war gun they got is worth more. All because the one that was original and hadn't been mucked with went for a stupid price to someone with more money than sense. A perfect example is in the milsurp EE right now.
 
I'm not sure if the bayonet Is matching number but it is the proper bayonet I am going to see the rifle Friday the guy swears the rifle is damn well mint condition I could maybe get him to 1000 but I can tell he is actually firm

I have a 1921 lithgow that was my dad's, I remember reading somewhere while I was desporterizing it that they didn't match bayonets to the rifles with the serial numbers. It was close in numbers but not numbers matching, someone knows for sure please feel free to correct me.
 
Emshey: "Mint condition" as likely as not means it's been back to the arsenal for repairs/ upgrades one or more times. Dates of refurbishment should be clearly marked on the butt along with other indications on things like the barrel. If the seller would allow you to shoot some photos and post them here the numerous experts could tell you if it's worth $1100 or $500.

milsurpo
 
Gents for the record, a 1917 Lithgow absolutely did have a magazine cut off installed from new. It doesn't matter here however because it's perfectly understandable 100 years on, that this one doesn't have it. But it's important to understand the rifle if you want to accurately value it. Firstly, there's two categories of matching numbers. The first is matching as it was from new. Action, bolt, barrel, rear sight, forend and nose cap. The butt may also be, depending on which military district it was issued. Most states generated an alternative numbering system for their inventory, the 4th military district in SA just used the serial number. This number would be on the butt and action, often confused as a serial number. From new, a 1917 Lithgow would have been blued, stocked in Qld maple with cutoff and piling swivel and marked nicely on the butt. Nearly every part would be marked with Lithgow star. The second category of a matching numbered Lithgow is that of the rifle going through an FTR, in which case it would be a very different beast to the first. The most common Lithgow FTR's and the easiest to identify are those done latter stages of WW2 through to 1960, but again there are variations mainly in two groups. These FTR'd rifles were mostly stripped back to the action and rebuilt into new rifles using new and used parts. Very unlikely any original parts remained with the rifle after the refurb. Serial numbered parts that had been used previously like nose caps were scrubbed and renumbered. Barrels and sights had numbers barred or crossed out. Parts from the earliest years of production were used on these post WW2 refurbs and it's common to find rounded cocking pieces, milled sight protectors or nosecaps with piling swivel lugs on them, causing some confusion. English parts were used as well. These FTR's were parkerised and fully stocked in coachwood. There were some done during 1944 that have a matt black finish but these are very easy to identify against the earlier blued finishes. There is so much more we could discuss here gents but I've probably got most dozing off already.
So which of these is this rifle and how does it affect value. I'm not in Canada but I get the feeling from reading these forums, lithgows don't generate anywhere near the same interest there as in Australia and the US. Here in Oz a matching and original example would be considerably more valuable to the collector. Very hard to find and probably range from 1000 to 1800. One of these may not suit you however if you want to shoot it. An FTR, still very limited numbers of WW1 dated actions but can be had for less. I've seen pristine examples for 1000 or less and these post war FTR's are very nicely stocked and shoot very well.
Very interested to see what this one is.

Edit: Wanted to say earlier, of course this rifle may have gone through some kind of repair to a lesser extent, or ended up being repaired/returbed in the UK or India. All this is important to understand before you purchase.
 
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Here's my 1917 LITHGOW MkIII with cutoff, everything on this rifle appears correct with full matching numbers, except for the rear sight which has been renumbered to match, all numbers appear the originals, the rearsight is windage adjustable & with a original s/n of 59026 would have been from another 1917 Lithgow.

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Here's my 1917 LITHGOW MkIII with cutoff, everything on this rifle appears correct with full matching numbers, except for the rear sight which has been renumbered to match, all numbers appear the originals, the rearsight is windage adjustable & with a original s/n of 59026 would have been from another 1917 Lithgow.

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Beautiful!
 
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