Need Help Shooting My Friend Out of a Cannon

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As the title says, I'm looking for assistance in shooting the remains of my buddy out of a .50 cal wheeled cannon.

I know jack about BP. I did purchase the correct BP and fuse from a gunshow this year but have no idea on amount to use in a .50 cal cannon or how much ashes to put in per shot.

Can I put a lot of ashes in a wad? Or would it be better to mix him in with the powder as a "blank buddy" round?
 
It doesn't really matter. The ash will not produce enough weight, compared to a lead ball, to create much in the way of pressure.

Dump a whack of BP down the barrel, then a bit of TP tamping and fill the barrel up maybe 3/4 with ashes and more TP tamping on top of that.

I tried to create ash shot shells when our dog died but they ended up being totally wimpy, barely even making much of a bang. Make sure you shoot downwind or you are gonna end up with your buddy's grit between your teeth, which is more than a bit disconcerting.
 
It doesn't really matter. The ash will not produce enough weight, compared to a lead ball, to create much in the way of pressure.

Dump a whack of BP down the barrel, then a bit of TP tamping and fill the barrel up maybe 3/4 with ashes and more TP tamping on top of that.

I tried to create ash shot shells when our dog died but they ended up being totally wimpy, barely even making much of a bang. Make sure you shoot downwind or you are gonna end up with your buddy's grit between your teeth, which is more than a bit disconcerting.

Yeah. I kinda don't want this to happen

Thanks for the info guys!
 
see if you can find a 44 magnum shell and fill that with black powder and use that for the main charge. As above a bit of paper towel as a wad but what is important is to compact the powder with a 3/8 dowel or something a bit bigger diameter. If the powder is compacted, it should go off with a bang. you can probably fill the barrel to 3/4 full with the ash. Where abouts are you located ?


cheers mooncoon
 
see if you can find a 44 magnum shell and fill that with black powder and use that for the main charge. As above a bit of paper towel as a wad but what is important is to compact the powder with a 3/8 dowel or something a bit bigger diameter. If the powder is compacted, it should go off with a bang. you can probably fill the barrel to 3/4 full with the ash. Where abouts are you located ?


cheers mooncoon

Interesting. I'm not sure how I would be able to ignite the main charge if there is a case inside. The cannon I have just has a small hole drilled in the breech and the breech does not come off.
I don't think I'd be able to blast burning tissue wadding with the fire ban atm, I was going to wait for the ban to be over to be safe as I'm gonna blast him out somewhere near the upper Coquitlam river. He loved that area plus I'm sure its Crown land the further up you go.

I'm in the Tri Cities (BC).
 
Interesting. I'm not sure how I would be able to ignite the main charge if there is a case inside. The cannon I have just has a small hole drilled in the breech and the breech does not come off.
I don't think I'd be able to blast burning tissue wadding with the fire ban atm, I was going to wait for the ban to be over to be safe as I'm gonna blast him out somewhere near the upper Coquitlam river. He loved that area plus I'm sure its Crown land the further up you go.

I'm in the Tri Cities (BC).

You can't hit crown land by vehicle following pipeline rd I can tell you that much. At least not without a key to get past the gate that's a bit north of the gravel pits. The city boundary is like 200m south of Coquitlam Lake, or around 1.5km past the gate on pipeline.

And it's a drinking water supply area past the gate so I'm not sure if it would even be legal to go it on foot?
 
Since the cannon isn't classified as a firearm I could make a case to the municipality that its a "signal device". Not sure the legalities on that one inside city limits. It would definitely make for an interesting phone call to city hall!
Maybe I'll just wait till Halloween. No one would give a sh!t then I suppose.

@Donny, that makes sense lol.
 
As the title says, I'm looking for assistance in shooting the remains of my buddy out of a .50 cal wheeled cannon.

I know jack about BP. I did purchase the correct BP and fuse from a gunshow this year but have no idea on amount to use in a .50 cal cannon or how much ashes to put in per shot.

Can I put a lot of ashes in a wad? Or would it be better to mix him in with the powder as a "blank buddy" round?

I took the Parks Canada historic weapons course in the spring. First off - is the cannon and carriage safe to fire? Seriously. Second, do you have the right tools for loading, swabbing, pricking and priming, and for misfires?

You want to fire ashes. They will form a cloud of dust, so be upwind! A .50cal bore is very small considering the volume of ashes to be fired. As the others have offered, blackpowder comes in grain sizes. The smaller the particles, the more power in the firing.

On course we loaded blank charges for 2-inch cannons, so my advice is going to be best estimate. With a dowel smaller than the diameter of the bore, create an aluminum foil sleeve, and crimp over one end. Pour the charge in the open end and crimp over a round cardboard wad. Load the cannon without getting your body in front of the bore. In one single thrust, seat the charge. Here is where my course work will differ from the matters at hand. Put an inch of crumpled newspaper over the powder. Wrap Old Bill like the powder, except maybe in more newspaper. Ram against the charge. Ours had fuse and quick match igniters, so prick a hole in the charge through the touchhole. You should feel the resistance on the prick. Seat the fuse. With a smouldering cotton match, not a Bic or BBQ lighter, start the fuse. Step back 30-40-50 feet on an angle and wait for the earthshattering kaboom. I would expect there to be an equal and opposite reaction of recoil and flash from the mouth.

Remember the internet is free and so is all advice you receive. I was firing inspected cannons under close supervision; you have neither benefit. Nor were we allowed to fire any projectile, only blanks.
 
On course we loaded blank charges for 2-inch cannons, so my advice is going to be best estimate. With a dowel smaller than the diameter of the bore, create an aluminum foil sleeve, a back 30-40-50 feet on an angle and wait for the earthshattering kaboom. I would expect there to be an equal and opposite reaction of recoil and flash from the mouth.

Out here we have mini cannon events, with many people shooting 50 cal miniature cannons. None are loaded using an aluminum foil package. I think using one in a small caliber cannon would be asking for problems. I think Parks Canada uses the aluminum packets because it allows them to use pre measured charges and store them with minimal risk from sparks as well as avoid the risk of glowing embers when used in much larger barrels. Put your fuse in the barrel first so that the powder flows around it when you pour the powder down the barrel . Paper cylinders of ashes seems a reasonable way to go

cheers mooncoon
 
Well the ashes aren't really going anywhere... other than in the air a short distance... so where are you doing this?

Spread the ashes downwind on the ground in front of the cannon, set the cannon down pointing over the ashes, load the cannon up with black powder and set it off. Done.
 
Since the cannon isn't classified as a firearm I could make a case to the municipality that its a "signal device". Not sure the legalities on that one inside city limits. It would definitely make for an interesting phone call to city hall!
Maybe I'll just wait till Halloween. No one would give a sh!t then I suppose.

@Donny, that makes sense lol.

Their no discharge bylaw has its own definition.

"Firearm includes a rifle, shotgun, handgun, or spring gun and any device that propels a projectile by means of an explosion, compressed gas or spring, but does not include a bow;"

To me that sounds like your cannon shooting ash would count as a firearm, even if it's not for the purposes of the firearms act.

Fireworks are also banned in the city, not sure how strict they are on enforcing that on Halloween though.

I like what you're trying to do, just don't want you to get in #### for it. Good luck.
 
I took the Parks Canada historic weapons course in the spring. First off - is the cannon and carriage safe to fire? Seriously. Second, do you have the right tools for loading, swabbing, pricking and priming, and for misfires?

You want to fire ashes. They will form a cloud of dust, so be upwind! A .50cal bore is very small considering the volume of ashes to be fired. As the others have offered, blackpowder comes in grain sizes. The smaller the particles, the more power in the firing.

On course we loaded blank charges for 2-inch cannons, so my advice is going to be best estimate. With a dowel smaller than the diameter of the bore, create an aluminum foil sleeve, and crimp over one end. Pour the charge in the open end and crimp over a round cardboard wad. Load the cannon without getting your body in front of the bore. In one single thrust, seat the charge. Here is where my course work will differ from the matters at hand. Put an inch of crumpled newspaper over the powder. Wrap Old Bill like the powder, except maybe in more newspaper. Ram against the charge. Ours had fuse and quick match igniters, so prick a hole in the charge through the touchhole. You should feel the resistance on the prick. Seat the fuse. With a smouldering cotton match, not a Bic or BBQ lighter, start the fuse. Step back 30-40-50 feet on an angle and wait for the earthshattering kaboom. I would expect there to be an equal and opposite reaction of recoil and flash from the mouth.

Remember the internet is free and so is all advice you receive. I was firing inspected cannons under close supervision; you have neither benefit. Nor were we allowed to fire any projectile, only blanks.

Just here for the earth shattering kaboom, Marvin the Martian style.
 
I read the heading and I was thinking circus type cannon, and a live body in it, Carry On.

I would be temped to practice before hand if you had some place to play.
If it comes down to it I think a case could be made this is a firearm if it goes south for some reason
I think a double barreled 10 ga shot gun would be better.
Not sure why you would mess with a baby cannon when you have never used it.

Now the last post, a hunk of 2 1/2" drill stem , a high pressure welder, and a case of beer, put him in a silk stocking with a pound ? of bp , ie mortar.
Kaboom.:stirthepot2:
 
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