Need Help to identify this 30-06. Thank you
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It is a 30-06 Thank you in advance!!!!!!
maple_leaf_eh
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The Model 1917 was a very good rifle, for is time. The Americans had copied the Mauser with their Springfield, and had knew a few things about making accurate bolt actions. Then the British decided their Lee Enfields were marginal for some tasks. The Pattern 1914 Rifle in .303 was supposed to replace all the No.1 SMLEs. (I never understood where the design originated.) The British also realized the way they were making rifles was half the problem. After a few big swallows of pride, they took the design to the US. Then WW1 started, and the British reverted to a rifle they knew and understood. The Americans recognized a good thing when they saw it, and modified a few internals to fire 30-06, and the design is commonly known in the US as The Enfield.
Model of 1917 Rifles have a long striker fall. The bolt has a funny looking dogleg, which happens to be perfectly placed for rapid fire bolt slinging. The belly for the internal magazine makes it "fat" looking. But the worst problem is the steel is super hard and drilling for a scope base is nearly impossible. They are accurate and extremely strong.
Model of 1917 Rifles have a long striker fall. The bolt has a funny looking dogleg, which happens to be perfectly placed for rapid fire bolt slinging. The belly for the internal magazine makes it "fat" looking. But the worst problem is the steel is super hard and drilling for a scope base is nearly impossible. They are accurate and extremely strong.
nowarningshot
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I have a Model 1917 converted to 416 Rigby. On top of the receiver it should say which plant in the US built the rifle. If a conversion is in the works, best is Winchester, followed by Remington; Eddystone( a Remington subsidiary) are to be avoided as they had a problem with heat treating, tend to be brittle and the action may crack when changing barrels.
In the condition this one is in, not worth much. Good truck gun or maybe donor action.
In the condition this one is in, not worth much. Good truck gun or maybe donor action.
sir_springer
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Had mine customized years ago, still 30.06...
Some history, somewhat little known, the first design that came very close to being adopted was the Pattern 1913 in .276 Enfield. WW1 came along, and the new caliber was abandoned in favor of the .303 Brit, of which there were large inventories ready to go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_1913_Enfield
These Enfields are very strong actions, and some can be remarkably accurate, too. Lots of options regarding stocks, trigger updates, and the bolt can be converted to #### on open, too. The steal in the action can be very tough to blue due to its hardness. Watch for scope alignment issues, some of the machining on the rear bridge to sporterize them by BSA and like was not always precision.
Some history, somewhat little known, the first design that came very close to being adopted was the Pattern 1913 in .276 Enfield. WW1 came along, and the new caliber was abandoned in favor of the .303 Brit, of which there were large inventories ready to go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_1913_Enfield
These Enfields are very strong actions, and some can be remarkably accurate, too. Lots of options regarding stocks, trigger updates, and the bolt can be converted to #### on open, too. The steal in the action can be very tough to blue due to its hardness. Watch for scope alignment issues, some of the machining on the rear bridge to sporterize them by BSA and like was not always precision.
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Bruce, I'm surprised at you. The Americans never officially used a "P" designation, they refer to models not patterns, so its a M-17.
Remington made a sporting rifle based on the M-17 action, but it had the belly removed, to provide a more pleasing profile, and it was marketed as the M-30, different versions has a letter designation after the model number like M-30S. IIRC, Bruce posted a picture of a younger H4831 with his M-30 rifle.
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
The lineage seems to run as follows;
- 1921-1925 for the M-30,
- 1926-1940 for the M-30 Express,
The M-30S was intended as a premium version of the rifle. The M-30 Express was a M-30 with a Lyman 48 receiver sight. In 1932 the designations of Model 30A, formally the M-30, and Model 30R (carbine) were added, and a floating barrel was introduced, eliminating a pressure point near the forend tip. By 1939 all receivers were drilled and tapped to accept a receiver sight. In 1940 the Model 720 as introduced, bringing an end to M-30 production.
Excellent rifle, one of the best.
Mine is marked Remington Mod. 30 Express.
Dad and a buddy went to a gun show in Montana in 1964 and came home with it.
He had no idea what he bought since I was the reloader of the family, it turned out to be a 35 Whelen , all work done by a John Buhmiller.
It had a 26" barrel,very early Bishop stock, Lyman 2.5 Alaskan glass, dies, brass and a couple pails of 275 gr. Hornady bullets.
We shot it a lot and put a lot of meat in the freezer with it in spite of the fact that I did not think of it as an accurate rifle.
At least not until my Brother replaced the barrel with a 24" Bevan King, so now she is a tack driver.
Our Whelen has earned its spot in the gun room..
Dad and a buddy went to a gun show in Montana in 1964 and came home with it.
He had no idea what he bought since I was the reloader of the family, it turned out to be a 35 Whelen , all work done by a John Buhmiller.
It had a 26" barrel,very early Bishop stock, Lyman 2.5 Alaskan glass, dies, brass and a couple pails of 275 gr. Hornady bullets.
We shot it a lot and put a lot of meat in the freezer with it in spite of the fact that I did not think of it as an accurate rifle.
At least not until my Brother replaced the barrel with a 24" Bevan King, so now she is a tack driver.
Our Whelen has earned its spot in the gun room..
I have one converted to 308 Norma Mag, but it has a new barrel, so I expect it to shoot.....and shoot it does!!
Mine also has a trigger and ####-on-opening kit installed, and the works is hung into a Boyd's Laminate stock.
These are quite strong, and not a bad rifle at all. If anything could be a negative, it might be the weight.
Regards, Dave.
Mine also has a trigger and ####-on-opening kit installed, and the works is hung into a Boyd's Laminate stock.
These are quite strong, and not a bad rifle at all. If anything could be a negative, it might be the weight.
Regards, Dave.
Regarding the weight Dave, when you are a skinny 120 lb. kid ( me ) that extra pound so can be seriously appreciated when the chamber is full of 275 gr. Hornady and I'm shaking like a leaf, trying to steady the crosshairs on the big Bull.....
sir_springer
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- East Kootenays
Before I had the work done on mine (didn't look quite as tough as the original poster's), I took it to a turkey shoot in Lloydminster. The previous week a friend handloaded a couple boxes of 30.06 for me. The day before I zeroed it at the range. Same scope as in the photo, Bushnell Scopechief, 3-9x40.
Ten shooters, $2 per, some pretty fancy guns from .223 Rem. on up, official 100 yd target, three shots. Three of us scored 30...but I had the tightest group. My old BSA 1917 Enfield (Eddystone) was getting more than few odd looks.
Won a second turkey, too, 200 yds into at least a 20 mph crosswind that started up. Still scored 27 out of 30 on the 200 yard target. Two shooters using .223s never hit the paper. I held 4" into the wind, and the 180s did the rest.
After that, a few wanted to check out my rifle a little closer!
Two targets, two turkeys! Heh!
Ten shooters, $2 per, some pretty fancy guns from .223 Rem. on up, official 100 yd target, three shots. Three of us scored 30...but I had the tightest group. My old BSA 1917 Enfield (Eddystone) was getting more than few odd looks.
Won a second turkey, too, 200 yds into at least a 20 mph crosswind that started up. Still scored 27 out of 30 on the 200 yard target. Two shooters using .223s never hit the paper. I held 4" into the wind, and the 180s did the rest.
After that, a few wanted to check out my rifle a little closer!
Two targets, two turkeys! Heh!
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