Need help with czech mauser 7.62 conversion ..pictures

[bros]

Need help with another. This one a Czech Mauser converted to 7.62. Is there some stamping on the barrel to help identify who did the conversion....Israel?

What model of Mauser is this one? Is it a regular wartime produced K98?

Would this be a 7.62 Nato or per chance 30/06?

On the receiver ring the "7.62" is almost scrubbed away with the "crest" partially scrubbed as well, the receiver has virtually had all the finish polished away.

Barrel is marked with conversion date? As well it does have a 7.62 stamp and some other unidentified marking....at least to me!!

Barrel is mint!!!!

Stock is absent of any markings, typical bumps and bruises but no cracks at all.

Floor plate and trigger housing is stamped with numbers but not matching. The bolt is numbers matching to itself but not to rifle.

Can somebody tell me the complete story for this rifle!!

Lastly I need a fair market value for this rifle.

Thanks guys.

 

[gaff]

regular Israeli rebuild, star of David behind the serial number . 7.62 Nato (.308)
you might consider finding a Israeli stock for it, as that one appears to be a nice WWII German one.

 

[OkayShooter]

What Gaff said.. 762 NATO. You'll need to find a stock with 7.62 stamped in the stock to complete it.

 

[Arrow105]

I have an Israeli Mauser extremely similar to yours, I can shed some more light. It also has a Rampant Lion crest on the receiver and the manufacturing plant information on the left side behind the chamber. These two distinctions are indications of it being a post-war Kar98k produced between 1945-1950, but given that the rifle was purchased by Israel, I wager this particular one was produced between 1945-1948. This page here has some information you might like.

It is not unusual for the bolt and receiver serials to not match; the Israelis cared very little for matching serials, generally combining whatever parts worked, and I assume they cared even less for rifles that underwent the 7.62 NATO conversion. The lack of a "7.62" carving in the stock indicates that the stock is not ex-IDF, which is odd. I'm fairly sure that the 2(X) marking might indicate a specific plant but I am uncertain. Also, does this example have a butt-plate? The polishing of the receiver ring has scrubbed off the second letter of the receiver serial. As for the Hebrew word stamping I can make out the the last three letters clearly, "פלן". I cannot tell what the first is from these pictures sadly. With a picture that doesn't shine the light so heavily on that letter I may be able to pick it out and would love to do so.

When it comes to value, the polishing of the receiver ring hurts it. Were the polish not present you could have sold it for $750 easily and fairly. Hope this helps. These are lovely pieces; I adore mine.

 

[bros]

Thanks Arrow105 for the very informative post.

I'm happy to know that the matching bolt has been located for this firearm, that's one less piece to the puzzle. I will be able to provide pictures that you requested as well of the matching bolt some time next weekend. Yeah not sure why the action is so polished like that, maybe Bubba got a hold of it and wanted the "chrome" look. Anyhow Buba is not allowed on my property!!

I'm now going to read the link you provided.....thank you.

I have an Israeli Mauser extremely similar to yours, I can shed some more light. It also has a Rampant Lion crest on the receiver and the manufacturing plant information on the left side behind the chamber. These two distinctions are indications of it being a post-war Kar98k produced between 1945-1950, but given that the rifle was purchased by Israel, I wager this particular one was produced between 1945-1948. This page here has some information you might like.

It is not unusual for the bolt and receiver serials to not match; the Israelis cared very little for matching serials, generally combining whatever parts worked, and I assume they cared even less for rifles that underwent the 7.62 NATO conversion. The lack of a "7.62" carving in the stock indicates that the stock is not ex-IDF, which is odd. I'm fairly sure that the 2(X) marking might indicate a specific plant but I am uncertain. Also, does this example have a butt-plate? The polishing of the receiver ring has scrubbed off the second letter of the receiver serial. As for the Hebrew word stamping I can make out the the last three letters clearly, "פלן". I cannot tell what the first is from these pictures sadly. With a picture that doesn't shine the light so heavily on that letter I may be able to pick it out and would love to do so.

When it comes to value, the polishing of the receiver ring hurts it. Were the polish not present you could have sold it for $750 easily and fairly. Hope this helps. These are lovely pieces; I adore mine.

 

[bearhunter]

I would just leave it alone.

Someone tried to erase some of that rifles' history by grinding away the heavy 7.62 stamp on the receiver ring reducing its collector value to shooter grade only. No way to fix that or hide it.

The nice thing about it is that it's a fairly early, pre war Czech receiver with remnants of the Rampant Lion Crest. Czech Vz24 rifles were very highly thought of for a long time and sought out by those looking to make up high quality sporters.

As for the stock that's on it. Likely very close to that on an original Vz24. It may be the most valuable part of the rifle.

If it shoots well, IMHO, just leave it as is. If not, take off the furniture and fittings, sell them off and put a good sporter stock onto it with decent bedding.

Yeah, I know. That's not what you want to hear.

Take it out and shoot it. Some of those conversions shoot way better than expected.

 

[Potashminer]

What you see on the barrel is a date, but not in the way we think of such. 29-57 means the barrel was part of the 29th batch of barrels made in the year 1957. The original 8x57 barrels were not re-used. Israel had contracted for, and I believe eventually made their own, new barrels for these 7,62 conversion. With a replacement barrel, the "matching number" bolt to receiver can actually be problematic - you want the bolt that was used to headspace the replacement barrel, which may or may not have been the bolt with the matching number. The vast number of Mausers made in many plants over many years have a surprising high rate of interchangeability between bolts - it is actually a bit unusual to find a random mauser bolt that does not pass a FIELD gauge check in a random Mauser barrelled action. GO and NOGO gauges are used to check a new installation - the FIELD gauge is telling you when the service limit (due to wear, etc.) has been reached.

 

[Claven2]

To me, it looks like someone was prepping it for drill and tap.

If it were mine, I'd get it blued or pasteurized and then shoot it a bunch. It's already ruined enough, nobody would fault you for scoping it.

 

[Arrow105]

What you see on the barrel is a date, but not in the way we think of such. 29-57 means the barrel was part of the 29th batch of barrels made in the year 1957. The original 8x57 barrels were not re-used.

I was not aware of the meaning of this date, extremely useful information, thank you!