Need help with Lee Enfield Proofs etc.

sparky

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Hey guys. I need some help identifying the proofs and stampings on my my Lee Enfield No.4 Mk.1*. I have figured some of them out from some web sources including these two sites:

http://enfieldrifles.profusehost.net/
http://www.gunproof.com/index.html

This is what I've been able to find out from the proofs and stampings so far:

It was manufactured by Savage, has the "S" and flaming bomb, but has no "US PROPERTY" stamp on it, serial is 0C46###.

The bolt handle is probably not original, it has the serial electrostencilled on and has cross flags stencilled as well.

The mag is probably not original if I am understanding the codes and may have been made in England.

It has a draw lapped barrel (I don't know what that means).

It was FTR'ed at Fazakerly, but not to Mk.1/3 as the trigger has not been altered.

It was released for surplus sale as it has the Birmingham Nitro Proof all over it and has "ENGLAND" stammped into the buttsocket. As well as the .303-2.222" and 18.5 tons per []".

Odds are the wood is not original as it has a brass buttplate and I was told that Savage made Enfields did not come with brass buttplates.

It has the British "arrow" proof on a lot of parts as well.


But I have a raft of stampings and a couple of etchings that I cannot ID. Are there any other websites that are helpful out there?

There are two proofs I'm eager to sort out, one is what looks like crossed swords and possibly an "L" in the lower left corner. The other Is the British style "arrow" with what looks like an "N" in the lower left corner.

There are also several "crowns" with an "N" underneath.

And there's a bunch of triple letter ciphers and ohter stampings and other as yet undeciferable markings that I cannot make out.

I just want to learn about the history of this piece and maybe find out where it's been and what it's done.


Also, I'd like to ID some .303 military ammo and can't seem to find any decent pics, or drawings, or explanations of headstamps online either.

Cheers,
sparky
 
With a serial of 0C plus 5 numerals, it is a very late Savage, made in 1944. The "US Property" mark was frequently removed. In all likelihood, all the non-Savage parts resulted from the FTR.
What are the headstamps on the .303 rounds you wish to identify?
 
headstamps, wood, etc.

Not sure about the wood, but it has no markings (that I can find), no sling swivels, no top wood, it was sporterised, and there was some work done on the buttstock. I'll be replacing the furniture.

Anyone know what a draw lapped barrel is?

Headstamps

I've identified most of them. Of what's left is:

1)
W.R.A.1941
.303

The primers are sealed, looks purple or black. Is this standard VII type ball? Cordite or nitro-cellulose?

2)
1944
DI Z

The primers are sealed, looks black. I know the Z is supposed to mean nitro-cellulose powder, but I don't know what type of ammo it is. Type VII? Is the DI indicative of Defence Industries, Verdun, Canada? When did they manufacture ammunition? I also have some with the headstamp of:

1942 DI VII Z

Which I am guessing is Defence Industries, Type VII, nitro-cellulose powder, made in 1942.

I also ended up with a bunch of AP rounds which is kind of neat, in case I run into any heavily armoured paper circles, I'm set.

Cheers,
sparky
 
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