I am having a problem deciding which way to go with a SG for three gun. My choices are semi SG like a cougar, or pump action mag fed like a grizzly. My question is which would be faster?. The semi would cycle faster but would be slower to reload, and the pump would cycle slower but would be faster on reloads and potentially have a higher capacity. what are your thoughts?
need help with shotgun for three gun
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red magnum
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Most hight round shotgun stages turn into a reloading contest, if your able to use the mag fed SG in your club and find one that feeds reliable go for it.
stormbringer
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Semi go for a M2
Pump either a 590 A1 or a Supernova
Pump either a 590 A1 or a Supernova
First and foremost, attend a match or two and see what everyone else is using to get an idea of what you might like, or what works/doesn't work.
A shotgun with detachable magazine will put you in open. (assuming the clubs you will be shooting at have divisions etc)
If you want to compete in open, then a mag fed pump might be the way to go, but I have not seen a reliable one. Constant feeding problems. I'm sure there are examples of reliable ones out there, just haven't seen one.
Had to look up what the DA Cougar looked like. I personally don't like the Remington style bolt release button being incorporated into the lifter, and I don't like the fact that the fore end covers part of the loading port.
These will make for slower reloads vs other platforms.
All depends how serious you want to get into 3 gun or practical shotgun.
If you can spend a little more, look for a used or new Mossberg 930. If you can spend a little more than that, people in the US have been having luck with the Remington Versamax, and ultimately I would recommend a Benelli M2.
For a pump, you can probably find a used older Wingmaster on the cheap, add an extended magazine and be good, but a Mossberg 590 or Nova/Supernova are great choices as well.
You have to decide how committed you want to be to the sport, and buy accordingly. You can continually upgrade or just buy the best and focus on competing.
Buy once, cry once.
A shotgun with detachable magazine will put you in open. (assuming the clubs you will be shooting at have divisions etc)
If you want to compete in open, then a mag fed pump might be the way to go, but I have not seen a reliable one. Constant feeding problems. I'm sure there are examples of reliable ones out there, just haven't seen one.
Had to look up what the DA Cougar looked like. I personally don't like the Remington style bolt release button being incorporated into the lifter, and I don't like the fact that the fore end covers part of the loading port.
These will make for slower reloads vs other platforms.
All depends how serious you want to get into 3 gun or practical shotgun.
If you can spend a little more, look for a used or new Mossberg 930. If you can spend a little more than that, people in the US have been having luck with the Remington Versamax, and ultimately I would recommend a Benelli M2.
For a pump, you can probably find a used older Wingmaster on the cheap, add an extended magazine and be good, but a Mossberg 590 or Nova/Supernova are great choices as well.
You have to decide how committed you want to be to the sport, and buy accordingly. You can continually upgrade or just buy the best and focus on competing.
Buy once, cry once.
heavenIsAlie
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Too bad Saiga 12s are prohib in Canada.
not really, to get one to work properly for 3-gun costs 2.5-3k in the states
red magnum
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Bah, that's just if your not skilled in the ways of the Dremmel.
Just be sure to buy 2/3 then you should end up with one that still works.
mississaugagunnut
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In Canada with our horrible magazine restrictions I believe you are best off with a pump action.
I use an 870 tac express with a 26" wingmaster barrel and fiber sights.
I have a Choate 5 shot extension which gives me a total of 9 in the tube when allowed.
You must have a threaded barrel as chokes are a must. At least an IM.
I use an 870 tac express with a 26" wingmaster barrel and fiber sights.
I have a Choate 5 shot extension which gives me a total of 9 in the tube when allowed.
You must have a threaded barrel as chokes are a must. At least an IM.
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If your semi is chambered for 3.5" shells, you can get 6 in the tube. +1 ghost loaded and +1 in chamber.
8 in total.
I have 10+1 in my benelli nova though. Either way get a benelli
8 in total.
I have 10+1 in my benelli nova though. Either way get a benelli
https://www.canadaammo.com/product/detail/21/magazine-grizzly-mag-5-rd/
They're not that expensive. Cheaper than my pistol mags and my FSL shotshell caddies, for sure.
OP, I'd just be weary, like pauls said, of the reliability. Not sure how they'd handle in a competition scenario.
Lets do some math here.
The OP seems to be budget conscious and I'd hate to see money wasted.
Mag fed grizzly from Canada Ammo = $339 and does not come with a butt stock
butt stock = $40? reasonable guess
Magazines. a course of fire can have up to 28 rounds in IPSC shotgun, so you will need minimum 6 mags. gun comes with one so
5 x $35 = $175
So your into it for a little over $550 before tax.
In Ontario, HST brings this to just over $630.
And you then need to get mag pouches or some other way to carry the 5 spare mags.
And you will realistically need an extra mag or two because we all miss/ a mag sometimes craps out when shooting, and you don't want to run out during a course of fire.
You can see how the Grizzly quickly becomes a $800+ investment and many reviews say its not reliable or well made.
For $7-800 you can toss a magazine extension on a 870, buy any shell holding system you desire (AP custom shell caddies, Carbon Arms shell caddies, whatever else you like) and have some left over for ammo or any other customization you discover you need.
You already have an 870, so that's half the battle. Get the barrel you want/need, one with chokes, and have at it.
After you have shot a little, been to a few matches and seen what others use and how well it works, you can upgrade. Maybe even sell your 870 set up to recover costs.
If you really want a Grizzly, go ahead but don't think it is a cheaper alternative.
The OP seems to be budget conscious and I'd hate to see money wasted.
Mag fed grizzly from Canada Ammo = $339 and does not come with a butt stock
butt stock = $40? reasonable guess
Magazines. a course of fire can have up to 28 rounds in IPSC shotgun, so you will need minimum 6 mags. gun comes with one so
5 x $35 = $175
So your into it for a little over $550 before tax.
In Ontario, HST brings this to just over $630.
And you then need to get mag pouches or some other way to carry the 5 spare mags.
And you will realistically need an extra mag or two because we all miss/ a mag sometimes craps out when shooting, and you don't want to run out during a course of fire.
You can see how the Grizzly quickly becomes a $800+ investment and many reviews say its not reliable or well made.
For $7-800 you can toss a magazine extension on a 870, buy any shell holding system you desire (AP custom shell caddies, Carbon Arms shell caddies, whatever else you like) and have some left over for ammo or any other customization you discover you need.
You already have an 870, so that's half the battle. Get the barrel you want/need, one with chokes, and have at it.
After you have shot a little, been to a few matches and seen what others use and how well it works, you can upgrade. Maybe even sell your 870 set up to recover costs.
If you really want a Grizzly, go ahead but don't think it is a cheaper alternative.
I think some guys put the cart before the horse by Rinning out and buying all the gear they "think" they need before ever actually shooting a match.
Research the matches you will be shooting... Find out where the different types of actions fit into their game.... Then decide where you want to fit into the game.... THEN go buy your gear.
IMHO mag fed shotguns are more trouble than they're worth... That's why other than extremely tweaked Saiga's you don't see them at matches.
Pump or semi.... But stick with a tube fed gun and just learn to reload the damn thing.
Research the matches you will be shooting... Find out where the different types of actions fit into their game.... Then decide where you want to fit into the game.... THEN go buy your gear.
IMHO mag fed shotguns are more trouble than they're worth... That's why other than extremely tweaked Saiga's you don't see them at matches.
Pump or semi.... But stick with a tube fed gun and just learn to reload the damn thing.
The only reason I was looking into a grizzly was because it was mag fed, I was trying to figure if the mag reload was an advantage worth having, over the speedier firing of an autoloading gun with slower reloads. I can make the gun reliable, its just an 870 clone after all. Thanks again for all the input guys I appreciate it.
its only an advantage if you are competing against others who aren't using some sort of speed loading device.
Chances are you'd be in open division with people that have the same advantage...therefore no advantage. And then, just like any other division, reliability and user ability win the match.
For a mag fed pump, the few Valtros I've seen seem to run well, but I don't know for sure.
Not even sure how available they are.
Again, all depends on the matches you will be attending and what the rules are.
If you get a grizzly and get it to run, please report back.
Would be curious to see one that does.
Chances are you'd be in open division with people that have the same advantage...therefore no advantage. And then, just like any other division, reliability and user ability win the match.
For a mag fed pump, the few Valtros I've seen seem to run well, but I don't know for sure.
Not even sure how available they are.
Again, all depends on the matches you will be attending and what the rules are.
If you get a grizzly and get it to run, please report back.
Would be curious to see one that does.
