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Today I went to the range and was shooting an M&P 9mm and 40.

I found that both guns were shooting low. With some testing, I realized that I needed to keep my front sight higher than my rear sights to hit center mass. (dont mind my art work haha)

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So I think its time to change out sights. How do I know which sights to buy? Which ones should I get?
 
I am not going to presume as to your level of training and experience in shooting.

One question, how much lower than your POA were you hitting???

What you could try is to have some other people shoot the gun and double check the sights. Also are the sights set for POI on top of the post or behind the dot??? For instance, HK's are set for behind the dot, and will shoot low for me if I use my prefered on top of the post of front sight for precision work...note for 'combat purposes' it's irrelevant, but for fun and tight groups you may want to know where the POI is.

Some lemons do turn up in every brand, if you double check the sights and they truly are off, check to see if the company makes front sights of different heights.

Hope this helps!!!!:)
 
Gundoggy makes some good recommendations. I would also suggest bagging or resting the pistol. Remove as much human error as possible when confirming where it shoots.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Its not the sights, its you. Seek professional training before you waste money on hardware "solutions" to software problems.

TDC
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Its quite possible it's me, but I was talking to a guy at the range today that shoots the M&P 40 and he said the exact same thing. The front sight needed to be higher than the rear.


Gundoggy said:
I am not going to presume as to your level of training and experience in shooting.

One question, how much lower than your POA were you hitting???

What you could try is to have some other people shoot the gun and double check the sights. Also are the sights set for POI on top of the post or behind the dot??? For instance, HK's are set for behind the dot, and will shoot low for me if I use my prefered on top of the post of front sight for precision work...note for 'combat purposes' it's irrelevant, but for fun and tight groups you may want to know where the POI is.

Some lemons do turn up in every brand, if you double check the sights and they truly are off, check to see if the company makes front sights of different heights.

Hope this helps!!!!:)
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If I was aiming at center mass, I was hitting the gut.
 
Anth_g said:
Its quite possible it's me, but I was talking to a guy at the range today that shoots the M&P 40 and he said the exact same thing. The front sight needed to be higher than the rear.




If I was aiming at center mass, I was hitting the gut.
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Who was this other guy and what was his experience level? What he is doing when he shoots may or may not be what you're doing. Asking others for opinions is generally pointless. You need to sandbag/rest the pistol and shoot it and have others do the same before you waste money and time on sights. Scientific testing, not word of mouth BS.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Its not the sights, its you. Seek professional training before you waste money on hardware "solutions" to software problems.
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If he's comfortable aiming the way that he's aiming, is consistently grouping low, and is willing to spend the money on adjustable sights then I don't see anything wrong with that.
 
It might not be the sights. A flinch will cause a low grouping. I've actually seen guys sight in their guns to compensate for a bad flinch. This is not a good solution. Better to fix the problem with the shooter first.
 
DiM said:
If he's comfortable aiming the way that he's aiming, is consistently grouping low, and is willing to spend the money on adjustable sights then I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Read PH racing's post below. Adjustable sights are a crutch for poor shooters. Fix the shooter and all guns will perform.

PH Racing said:
It might not be the sights. A flinch will cause a low grouping. I've actually seen guys sight in their guns to compensate for a bad flinch. This is not a good solution. Better to fix the problem with the shooter first.
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TDC
 
Hi,

Assuming you are using a human sized torso target, if you are hitting several inches low (more than 6), it is likely due to trigger control. The difference of POI from top of sight and behind the dot I was talking about is usually only about an inch or two difference at 7 - 10 yards. On a torso target, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
 
One other thing to consider is the type of ammo the gun was sighted in with. Heavier, hotter ammo kicks a little more so shooting lighter, softer ammo will result in lower groups. Once again, you will only notice this in precision shooting..about 1 to 2 inches low at 15 yards and out. It would not result in the aim in chest/hit in gut you are describing. But if you ever do precision work at longer distances you may find it useful.

Please note, that in 'real life' use, a couple of inches high or low will not make much difference.
 
Or....6" below poa is a bad flinch and 1" below poa is a slight flinch....I'd judge it based on the size of the group. If the shooter is placing his shots into an inch offhand at 10m and it's a bit low, it might be the sights. If the group is 2" or larger at that distance and a bit low I'd blame the shooter.
 
PH Racing said:
Or....6" below poa is a bad flinch and 1" below poa is a slight flinch....I'd judge it based on the size of the group. If the shooter is placing his shots into an inch offhand at 10m and it's a bit low, it might be the sights. If the group is 2" or larger at that distance and a bit low I'd blame the shooter.
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x2.....i'd bet on the gun being ok
 
I was at the Range today with a buddy. He was shooting my M&P40, he was 8-12 inches low & left from POI. Took him 200 rounds to close that gap to 6-8 inches at 50ft.
 
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