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Ok I am not fan of recoil so .30 cal or .50 cal rifles I am not interested in. I am looking for advice regarding the following requirements...

I have decided I want to use the 7mm magnum round

I would like hit a Toonie at 500 meters with min rounds used.
I would like hit a Toonie at 1000 meters with min rounds used I am patient if it takes a box or two I am ok with this

I want lots of speed and foot pounds

Want to use factory ammo... Apartment manager would probably pissed if reload in apartment....

What barrel do I get? Twist? Grooves? Length? Action? Stock? And scope?

I am a machinist and like precision maybe to much...
 
Ok I am not fan of recoil so .30 cal or .50 cal rifles I am not interested in. I am looking for advice regarding the following requirements...

I have decided I want to use the 7mm magnum round

First off....these 2 comments do not belong together. A 308 will have far less recoil than a 7mm Mag round especially if you are shooting the 180gr VLD pills.

I would like hit a Toonie at 500 meters with min rounds used.
I would like hit a Toonie at 1000 meters with min rounds used I am patient if it takes a box or two I am ok with this

Is your shooting ability good enough to accomplish this? Our V-Bull in F-Class shooting at 900m (1000yds) is 5" and the 5 ring is 10", even an accomplished shooter has a hard time keeping 15 rounds in the 5 ring, let alone trying to hit a toonie sized target at that distance. Hitting a toonie sized target most certainly can be done but it has more to do with luck than actual ability at that distance.

Wind, mirage and other weather variables have more to do with keeping bullets on target at this distance than the ability of the rifle itself.

Want to use factory ammo... Apartment manager would probably pissed if reload in apartment....

What barrel do I get? Twist? Grooves? Length? Action? Stock? And scope?

I am a machinist and like precision maybe to much...


If you are using factory ammo and want best precision then go with a 308 as you can buy match ammo for it but it is expensive. With a 7mm Mag you will have your choice of hunting ammo only. (Not aware of any 7mm Match factory ammo).


Me thinks you need to do some more research on what it is you want to do and what equipment you will need as your questions are too broad to make any kind of reccomendation.
 
First off....these 2 comments do not belong together. A 308 will have far less recoil than a 7mm Mag round especially if you are shooting the 180gr VLD pills.



I was unaware of this...


So realistically at 1000m I need to have a bigger target... So at 500m is a Toonie a acceptable target?

If I go with .308 how cut down recoil?
 
So realistically at 1000m I need to have a bigger target... So at 500m is a Toonie a acceptable target?

What percentage of times per shot would you like to hit the toonie? I'm guessing you do not shoot a centre fire bolt action rifle much and have unreal expectations. Not razzing you, I think lots of people see internet groups and think its easy. Personally, starting out, I would try to hit a dust bin lid first.
 
.308 win doesn't kick as far as I am concerned, no where near as bad as my 7mm mags. Get a brake if you don't like recoil..
 
A toonie at 1000 yards, sure it can be done. How many rounds it takes to do it is another story. Search for Long Range Brenchrest records and see how easy it is.
 
An inch and a quarter 5 shot group was recently shot at 1000 yds in the States that failed to beat the world record by I think .067 which I believe was set in 1977. This recent group was shot by a 6 Dasher. It's going to take awhile to hit that toonie.
 
Ok I am not fan of recoil so .30 cal or .50 cal rifles I am not interested in. I am looking for advice regarding the following requirements...

I have decided I want to use the 7mm magnum round

I would like hit a Toonie at 500 meters with min rounds used.
I would like hit a Toonie at 1000 meters with min rounds used I am patient if it takes a box or two I am ok with this.


A toonie at 500 yards is an incredibly challenging target. Google up "egg shoot", in which an egg is shot at 500 yards, by people using all-out BR gear. They hit it from time to time, but it is one damn hard target.

I want lots of speed and foot pounds

Want to use factory ammo... Apartment manager would probably pissed if reload in apartment....

Any particular reason you want lots of speed and lots of foot pounds? These tend to work against you (more recoil), or at least make it more challenging, shooting-skill-wise, to attain a given degree of accuracy.

To do this with factory ammo will be a tall order - somewhere between "highly ambitious", and "forget about it". Recall that the people (occasionally) hitting eggs at 500 yards are hardcore BR shooters - what guys like that do to their ammo, makes long range target shooters like me look like the lazy(ish) handloaders we are.

If factory ammo is a requirement, the very best choice you could make would be to get a .308W. It has by *far* the best availability of high quality, good-shooting match ammo. The very best .308W factory match ammo will cost $2+ per round; for 500 yard shooting, it will shoot as well as most good handloaded ammo. If you want to shoot at longer range (800m and beyond), most factory match ammo will really start to fall behind what is achievable by carefully made handloaded match ammo.

A toonie at 800m is not a realistic target, it's something you can put in the middle of your target which will be at risk of being struck by a bullet from time to time. On a good day (good shooter, good rifle, good ammo, little to no wind) you might have a chance of getting 1 hit on the toonie out of every 20 you fire.

If you increase the distance to 900m (it doesn't sound like that much of an increase in difficulty, but it _is_!), your hit rate will fall a _lot_.

If you increase the distance from 900m to 1000m, your hit rate will *really* plummet. Under good conditions, one hit for every fifty or hundred shots fired, might be a reasonable goal.

What barrel do I get? Twist? Grooves? Length? Action? Stock? And scope?

I am a machinist and like precision maybe to much...

Any good match barrel will do the job. Number of grooves doesn't matter much if at all. Twist rate should be one that is commonly used for the bullet(s) you'd like to fire (for a .308 you'd probably want a 11" to 13" twist rate). Barrel length not terribly important; you're 95% likely to choose something between 24" and 32" once you have taken all the factors into account.

Any good stiff precise target action can be used; there are dozens of really good ones to choose from. Scopes, similarly. Stocks, similarly.

Have a look at what sort of "F/TR" rifles are being built and winning matches today - that's what you want.
 
Thanks for the info guys I greatly appreciate what you have to say... I am looking to spend my money once not 30 times... On a rifle I can enjoy and be apart of and maybe pull off some good targets and groups... Speed and foot pounds are important to me because less time spend in the air more accurate one can be... Foot pounds because I want to make a serious dent on target not lightly touch it with a finger poke...
 
What percentage of times per shot would you like to hit the toonie? I'm guessing you do not shoot a centre fire bolt action rifle much and have unreal expectations. Not razzing you, I think lots of people see internet groups and think its easy. Personally, starting out, I would try to hit a dust bin lid first.

Progress is made by people who dare to think big, ......... but it's made in incremental steps and mostly by failing lots. Good on the OP for setting the bar so high! :) No guts, not glory!
 
Thanks for the info guys I greatly appreciate what you have to say... I am looking to spend my money once not 30 times... On a rifle I can enjoy and be apart of and maybe pull off some good targets and groups... Speed and foot pounds are important to me because less time spend in the air more accurate one can be... Foot pounds because I want to make a serious dent on target not lightly touch it with a finger poke...

You must have really tough paper in Alberta:p I love it when guys show up with their big killem'all super magnums and some asshat with a .223 opens a can of whoopass on them and out shoots them at 1000 yards.:eek:

Find your local Provincial Rifle Association and go out and see for yourself what guys are shooting and winning with. You will save yourself a lot of time and money in the long run.
 
loonies at 1000yards

Think you had better try hitting all three toonies on this target and hit just the polar bear only out to 300y The 100yard and 200 yards are quite doable but that 300 yards get pretty hard to do.
I know fellows I shoot with can hit a the polar bear to 200 yards and not touch the silver on the Loonie but no one has hit just the polar bear at 300 as yet, all on same target
The .308 and the 223 and the 6BR are the rifles doing the best, the big 7mm with 180 gr Bergers can,t do it seems to much recoil for shooters or more load development is needed.
I think you better make some of these targets and see how you do before you start trying hitting them at 1000 y and using factory ammo, you better have a fat wallet.
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