Need your expert help Identifying these two old relics...Bolt actions and bayonets

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Hey guys,

I know many of you have your fingers on the pulse of this old gear.

I recently acquired these from an estate and have no idea what I have or what they're worth.

Here are a couple of pictures. I will post more as I have time.

This will be a skill test! :)

Let me know what angles you need to see or what other markings might help.

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There are also these old bayonettes

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Thanks for your help!

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The top is a Springfield M1903A3. Bottom looks like a Yugo M24/47.

The 1903 will fetch rock bottom $1200. The Yugo around $600.

The middle bayonet is a 1907 pattern SMLE bayonet with the hook, but the muzzle ring looks like it was made for a P14.
 
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Also, you have the sling on the Springer through the stacking swivel. The one behind it is the front sling loop.
 
Top bayonet is a Pattern 1907 sword bayonet for the Lee Enfield Sht.LE Mk.III rifle.

The scabbard has some early features, so it might be WWI vintage or earlier. The blade will have the date of its manufacture on the ricasso.

Different makers and dates, like coins and stamps, can make a huge difference in what collectors will pay.

If this is an common variation, ballpark value? $150-250?
 
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The bayonets are as follows:

Top: British (most likely - could also be Indian or Australian, need to see markings) 1907 Pattern bayonet. If you take detailed photos of the markings, we can determine more about it. It does have an early variation scabbard with the so called almond stud on the upper mount. The webbing frog is a WW2 Patt. '37 - correct-ish, depending on the era of issue. Very much a dime a dozen bayonet, with millions produced during the First World War and production continuing during the Second as well. India and Australia produced lots during the Second World War - with India making a variety of variants including shortened bayonets. Value in excellent condition is generally no more than $200. If it is an early British made bayonet of the "quillion removed" variety, then it fetches more.

Middle: Imperial Japanese Type 30 "Arisaka" bayonet. Could be an early variant, or later - depends on finish and makings. Definitely an early pattern with the hooked quillion. Interesting thing about the hooked quillion, is that the design inspired the British to do the same with the first batch of 1907 bayonets as well (up until 1912-1914 or so) - also, Imperial Japanese soldiers learned how to use the hooked quillion to engage an opponents bayonet and wrench their rifle out of their hands with it.

Bottom: Nazi Germany S1884/98 III bayonet. Better known as a "K98" bayonet. Wide range of manufacturers and dates of manufacture - need photos. All bayonets and scabbards were serial'd by the manufacturers, matching pairs (bayonet and scabbard) are more valuable than non-matching. With the mounted pattern leather frog and a matching set (assuming it is) value tops out around $300 if in excellent condition.
 

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From what I can see, the top 03a3 is a put together rifle. If the bore is good, it should fetch a minimum of $800. There is over $500 in parts value alone. The gray finish on the parts are from a phosphate type finish applied to some surplus components. National Ordnance was just one of the companies that used such parts. The last metal parts I purchased for an 03 came from Liberty Tree Collectors and they were finished in the same manner.

I'm not sure if any of those bits or even rifles with all of the metal finished in such a manner were ever issued. I've heard rumors that some were sent offshore as military aid but I have no proof. I do know the finish has to be removed to be blued.
 
For the second set of bayonet photos.

The spike bayonet is an example of a British No.4 Mk.II spike bayonet, as mounted on No.4 series Lee-Enfield rifles. Your example is a Long Branch (Canadian) made version. Value is about $40 in good to excellent condition. You've got a pattern '37 bayonet frog as well, designed specifically for the No.4 bayonet - being in jungle green, I would assume Indian manufacture. If you could take a photo of the bayonet outside of the scabbard that would be nice.

The rest are as identified previously. 1907 pattern bayonet. Arisaka. S1884/98 III / K98 bayonet. If you could provide photos that are closer up, and show the markings on each bayonet that would help for further identification.
 
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