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I understand that all variants of the AR-15 are restricted by name. This includes the "new" AR-10, which is supposedly just an expanded AR-15 (that's my interpretation of what I'm reading, anyway).

I also understand that an original AR-10, that has never been assembled as a select-fire gun, would be non-restricted, yes? Also, a variant/clone of the original AR-10 would be non-restricted, right?

There is at least one company [in Canada] (maybe more) that produce CNC machined-from-billet AR-15 receivers. I wonder if anyone has ever thought of finding one of those semi-auto AR-10's and cloning it?

Personally, I can't ever see myself buying a rifle that I can only ever use on a range.
 
Splatter said:
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Personally, I can't ever see myself buying a rifle that I can only ever use on a range.
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Until you get one, then everything changes.

Nah, just kidding around. In all seriousness, it depends on the range. My range is cool, and I pretty much only EVER shoot at the range. So no reason why not to for me.

As far as the original AR-10, seeing as how far back it's lineage goes, if there was anyway we could own one non restricted, we would be already, you'd know about it, and everyone would be talking about it.
 
I believe there is three or four NR status original AR10 Rifles registered in Canada not sure about how cloning them would work out, but I'd be in for a NR AR10 in a heartbeat like many other Gunnutz I'm sure.
 
Splatter said:
I understand that all variants of the AR-15 are restricted by name. This includes the "new" AR-10, which is supposedly just an expanded AR-15 (that's my interpretation of what I'm reading, anyway).

I also understand that an original AR-10, that has never been assembled as a select-fire gun, would be non-restricted, yes? Also, a variant/clone of the original AR-10 would be non-restricted, right?

There is at least one company [in Canada] (maybe more) that produce CNC machined-from-billet AR-15 receivers. I wonder if anyone has ever thought of finding one of those semi-auto AR-10's and cloning it?

Personally, I can't ever see myself buying a rifle that I can only ever use on a range.
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You are correct.

LeverActionBandit said:
As far as I understand any and all AR style rifles, 15's and 10's are restricted.

In Canada you can only use AR style rifles at ranges.
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AR-15s and variants are restricted. "AR-style" guns are mere firearms subject to classification.

Conte said:
Until you get one, then everything changes.

Nah, just kidding around. In all seriousness, it depends on the range. My range is cool, and I pretty much only EVER shoot at the range. So no reason why not to for me.

As far as the original AR-10, seeing as how far back it's lineage goes, if there was anyway we could own one non restricted, we would be already, you'd know about it, and everyone would be talking about it.
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Nearly all original AR-10s are prohibited due to being select-fire or converted autos. Many of the few semi-only receivers that made it here wound up restricted due to barrel length anyway, but before the end of the gun registry there were at least 3 AR-10s registered as non-restricted.

The OP is indeed correct that modern AR-10s are considered AR-15s chambered in .308. Old AR-10s are a totally different firearm and new semi auto guns could be non-restricted with the appropriate dimensions.
 
Jäger said:
You are correct.



AR-15s and variants are restricted. "AR-style" guns are mere firearms subject to classification.



Nearly all original AR-10s are prohibited due to being select-fire or converted autos. Many of the few semi-only receivers that made it here wound up restricted due to barrel length anyway, but before the end of the gun registry there were at least 3 AR-10s registered as non-restricted.

The OP is indeed correct that modern AR-10s are considered AR-15s chambered in .308. Old AR-10s are a totally different firearm and new semi auto guns could be non-restricted with the appropriate dimensions.
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confused, so a sr-25 aka mk11 mod 0 aka m110 isnt a ar10? i thought it was an ar10 modded to look like an ar15 and with ar-15 ergos


Now something like a PMS LR:308 seems like a true ar-15 in 308. (this gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cg56Ur4COo)

Ofcourse i admitly don't know too much about ar10's.
 
Blissified said:
confused, so a sr-25 aka mk11 mod 0 aka m110 isnt a ar10? i thought it was an ar10 modded to look like an ar15 and with ar-15 ergos
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SR-25 and AR-10 are two similar looking rifles with little interchangeability. Even the magazine are one or the other.

SR-25 is more like DPMS LR, REM R-25 etc. even though those aren't completely identical either.

An R-25 upper won't fit on an SR-25 lower because of the rear area by the rear take down pin for example, but most other parts from the two can be swapped.

I have a clone SR-25 I built out of a R-25 so most of it is compatable. The R-25 being a DPMS rifle anyway...
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only non restricted original style AR10's in Canada would be the ones that were made semi auto only prior to the production and release of the AR15 in the late 60's.

My understanding is that as far as the RCMP are concerned, any modern reproduction of the old school AR10 would be considered restricted as a variant of the AR15 as it post dates said rifle.

Back in 2005 Armalite did a full on original AR10 reproduction run of about 5000 rifles, some of which apparently made it into Canada under restricted class.

I chased this dragon for a long while myself lol I would pay money to be able to fire one, restricted or not if anyone owned one :(

Someone correct me if I'm wrong also, just like most information any of us have on here, it's usually heresy and heard it from a friend of a guy who owns one etc etc lol
 
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The AR-15 is a variant of the AI AR10. The AR-15 and variant are the restricted guns. So, modern AR-10’s modeled after an AR-15 on steroids are restricted. The factory semi AR10’s made by AI in the 50’s are non-restricted. It would be logical that a new production semi auto lower modeled exactly after a 50’s era AR10 would be non-restricted. The problem is the RCMP. They have already proven they go rogue from the act and the will of Parliament. I do not believe the RCMP would define any new production AR10 lowers derived from the original design as anything other than restricted.
 
People keep confusing AR .308's with AR 10's. They aren't the same. Armalite makes AR10's (and a couple of other companies make receivers that are compatible, I believe Cadex does for example). All the others are just scaled up AR15's. The upper and lower receivers do not interchange, and the AR 10 uses M14 based mags.
 
The first time you try an AR-10 or an AR-308, you dont care shooting it at the range.... The fun factor is simply HUGE, there is something about an AR 308 that you dont find in any AR-15... JP.
 
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Jäger said:
The OP is indeed correct that modern AR-10s are considered AR-15s chambered in .308. Old AR-10s are a totally different firearm and new semi auto guns could be non-restricted with the appropriate dimensions.
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It would be quite easy to put this to the test and I've often wondered why I haven't heard of it happening before.

Many Artillerie Inrichtingen AR-10 rifles ended up having their receivers cut and the parts sent to the US, where they were reassembled onto rewelded or new semi-auto receivers. Any of these rifles should be non-restricted in Canada. They were three or four companies like Telko and Hahn that specialized in doing this for a while and they show up semi regularly on Gunbroker. The price would be high but it should be fairly straightforward for someone to do this.
 
BattleRife wrote: Many Artillerie Inrichtingen AR-10 rifles ended up having their receivers cut and the parts sent to the US, where they were reassembled onto rewelded or new semi-auto receivers. Any of these rifles should be non-restricted in Canada. They were three or four companies like Telko and Hahn that specialized in doing this for a while and they show up semi regularly on Gunbroker.
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I am in the US and have suggested this to several Canadians who yearn for an AR10. Assuming the strategy worked, would Canadians be willing to pay the $3.5K or so that these rifles tend to cost? Plus, I wonder how the Mounties would view the rifle since it has a semi-auto lower receiver but every other part was once installed in an evil machine gun.

Maybe an alternative would be to attempt to register a home-made lower receiver that would fit the old Sudanese or Portuguese AR10's. Maybe it would allowed to be a nonrestricted lower, or maybe not. In order to try this the receiver would not actually have to function. One candiate is in the photos below. It is leftover form the 1980's production of lower receivers that were assembled by soldering left and right sides.

Discalimer: I am still learning about Canadian gun law.

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