New England Westinghouse Mosin Nagant
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For a Finnish one, anywhere from about $125 to maybe $250 max. depending mostly on condition and matching numbers.
For a US Army marked one, all matching original with flaming bomb cartouches, etc. you're talking about $1000 to a US collector - crazy huh?
For a US Army marked one, all matching original with flaming bomb cartouches, etc. you're talking about $1000 to a US collector - crazy huh?
Any more info on it? Has it been finn refurbed(likely)? If so, 150 to 200 bucks seems to be the going rate. Un-finned, I have no idea, I think those are fairly rare. I've got a reworked one(usually evident by the "SA" stamp on the barrel shank) that is a terrific shooter and bursting with history, and one of my favorite guns...
The Russians couldn't produce enough arms to meet thier great war demands and thus contracted out to Remington and New England Westinghouse to meet thier needs(something like 2.5 million rifles?). Of course, the October revolution happened in 1917 and the Russkies defaulted on the guns, leaving the U.S. with signifigant stocks of unwanted rifles. Some of these went to U.S. forces for training, while others went to Russia to fight the Bolsheviks(why take springfields and ammo, when they could take Mn's and use readily available ammo). When American forces left they mostly abandoned thier rifles, which the Russians put into thier war stocks. Some of these were eventually used against the Finnish in the Winter war and war of continuation, and were captured. The finn's rearsenaled them, leaving most of the examples you see today. I've got a pair
Some say the U.S. contract Mosin's are the finest quality, as there were a number of Russian inspectors scrutinizing the work being done!
Some say the U.S. contract Mosin's are the finest quality, as there were a number of Russian inspectors scrutinizing the work being done!
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As Ollie states, the US gov't got stuck with about a million NEW and Remmy Mosins in 1917.
From mosinnagant.net:
In the 1920's the few remaining US Army inventoried Mosins were surplused on the US market - most were basically unissued. These are the only Mosins likely to be found that are still "as issued" US Army with all the US proofs. The rifles sold and given out elsewhere would have been issued, used, rebuilt, etc. and are not original US issue any longer - such as the Finned versions we often see here
Hope that helps!
From mosinnagant.net:
In the 1920's the few remaining US Army inventoried Mosins were surplused on the US market - most were basically unissued. These are the only Mosins likely to be found that are still "as issued" US Army with all the US proofs. The rifles sold and given out elsewhere would have been issued, used, rebuilt, etc. and are not original US issue any longer - such as the Finned versions we often see here
Hope that helps!
I'd like to find a NEW bayonet...Apparently less common than an unmolested NEW or Remmy M91...
Don't forget, a lot of companies, such as Bannerman, got these rifles and attempted to rechamber them for a more common American caliber(30.06), resulting in rifles known as "Bannerman conversions". Apparently these are unsafe to fire with full strenght loads, but i've heard of reduced loads being run thorough. At your own risk
. I seem to recall seeing one on valleyguns or Gunbroker not that long ago. Have you got one of those yet Claven?
Don't forget, a lot of companies, such as Bannerman, got these rifles and attempted to rechamber them for a more common American caliber(30.06), resulting in rifles known as "Bannerman conversions". Apparently these are unsafe to fire with full strenght loads, but i've heard of reduced loads being run thorough. At your own risk
. I seem to recall seeing one on valleyguns or Gunbroker not that long ago. Have you got one of those yet Claven?
desporterizer said:
A certain board member with a pencheant for Eatons Carcanos has it
It's a .30-06 version though, so doesn;t qualify as "unmolested USGI", though it is rare, and in the USA would probably be a pretty valuable rifle.ollie said:
Nope! But I passed on the rifle you're talking about (it was P&S selling it).
I'm more of a Finn and Soviet Mosin owner (remember - I'm NOT a Mosin collector!). I don't generally go after the US versions unless they happen to be Finn and not doubles.
great white said:
Look no further than JP here on the board. Drop him a PM, he runs P&S Militaria - the unofficial "official Canadian dealer" for all things Mosin. Biggest selection in Canada, including M38 and M44 carbines.
Claven2 said:A certain board member with a pencheant for Eatons Carcanos has it
Not really a Bannerman thread, but hey, you guys brought it up.
Guilty. A couple of years ago I watched it languish on P&S for months with the ominous warning that it was "not to be fired". So in typical fashion, I did some research, bought it and have fired it several times. Now it sits in the vault, dark and lonely. Collectible? To me it is, and it's certainly a conversation piece. Value? I have no idea. It's the only one I've ever heard of in Canada, so the way I look at it, I have to assume it's irreplaceable, so if I sell it, it's bye, bye.
Here's a few pics (from before I cleaned it up
), and a page from the Bannerman catalogue from between the wars.
Now Andy, you've got to cut down the barrel on that Bannerman, chuck it in a synthetic stock and put a scope on it, and it'll be worth something! Or sell it to me
Is the bolt head, ejector, magazine etc. modified at all to work with 30.06? That's a very cool rifle(for something with no history)!
Is the bolt head, ejector, magazine etc. modified at all to work with 30.06? That's a very cool rifle(for something with no history
)!The top pic shows how the cartridge orientation is changed by the barrel modification (set back about 3/4" and rechambered). There is still plenty of metal surrounding the chamber. I have also added some pics of the bolt and mag modifications (Bannerman on left, original on right on #1, then the reverse for #2 and #3). These are all "borrowed" but exactly reflect my gun.
I have fired it 10 times with moderate cast bullets loads (210gr at 1900 fps). It seemed as accurate as my other Mosins.
I have fired it 10 times with moderate cast bullets loads (210gr at 1900 fps). It seemed as accurate as my other Mosins.
Well I picked her up along with some of her friends
She has an octogon reciever, stamped "New England Westinghouse Company 1915"
There is the "SA" stamp on the barrel and reciever
Pics arnt that clear, Ill be taking more pics of her and the P14 and 3 SMLEs and Carcano I scored, Who says Friday the 13th is a bad luck day
She has an octogon reciever, stamped "New England Westinghouse Company 1915"
There is the "SA" stamp on the barrel and reciever
Pics arnt that clear, Ill be taking more pics of her and the P14 and 3 SMLEs and Carcano I scored, Who says Friday the 13th is a bad luck day
