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The other day I wanted to buy a rifle from a fellow (with an apparently reputable history of buying and selling on Gunnutz) that he said was "new in the box". The price was a few hundred under the advertised price from a retail store...so the saving was substantial enough to interest me. But he wouldn't open the sealed box to take a photo to send me, and all I had to base the appearance of the rifle on was a small photo taken from one side only by the original retail store where he had bought it (and then apparently changed his mind). It was a fullwood "Mannlicher" style rifle, not a synthetic stock rifle, so the appearance of the wood stock was important. Yet, somehow he interpreted "New in the Box" to mean with all taped edges remaining in place, sealed.

I wasn't willing to buy a relatively expensive wood stock rifle without even being able to see a photo of both sides of it. It seemed odd to me, but he insisted that the rifle remain sealed and unseen in the box in order to qualify as "New in the Box", implying that I was being unreasonable and that I somehow didn't understand what "New in the Box" meant.

Am I wrong here? Is that what people mean when they say something is "New in the Box"...must the box remain totally sealed to qualify as NIB? Obviously the original retail store had it out of the box to take the one photograph of it.
 
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I think it kinda doesn't matter.

He is trying to sell a product.

You are/were interested in buying it.

He was, for whatever reason, unwilling to meet your pre-conditions before forking over money.

You are not willing to take his word 100%.

The result - no sale.
 
^^ Yup

Full disclosure pics are a must for a gun you can't see in person.
 
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HAHA no I don't think you're wrong there at all. Almost all boxes are opened at the store anyways. Most guys handle the guns out of the box before purchasing. Unfortunately you ran into a very narrow minded person with a lack of common sense who was too set in their ways. If I couldn't get pictures like that I'd be too wary of a scam.
On his part I would never even WANT to sell an item under those conditions. As a seller i'm also responsible for the condition of the product. What if the wrong gun was in the box, what if it was broken or defective? once the buyer opens it up and see's it reflects poorly on me. I would want to make sure I am putting forward the most accurate description of my product, and selling it sight unseen because it's still "new in box" doesn't qualify for me. I've bought new rifles that had some blemishes in the finish. I'm not gonna say "in new condition" when I sell it, cause people will be ticked off when they see those marks, even though the gun is exactly in the same state as when I purchased it

I have never ever run into anyone who claimed NIB actually meant an unopened box that cannot be opened or else it ruins it's status
 
galamb said:
I think it kinda doesn't matter.

He is trying to sell a product.

You are/were interested in buying it.

He was, for whatever reason, unwilling to meet your pre-conditions before forking over money.

You are not willing to take his word 100%.

The result - no sale.
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No, you are wrong

...I was completely willing "to take his word 100%" that the rifle was brand new...I just wanted see what it looked like...the wood on a Mannlicher stocked rifle is more important than on a half stock rifle and much than a synthetic stock rifle....and it can vary a lot..premiums are often paid for good looking wood. It isn't just a mass produced identical "product".
 
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Rob, I'd agree with you that NIB doesn't mean sealed box, but it his deal too, his conditions as well, and since you two can't seem to come to an agreement on that, then no deal. I wouldn't send him my money either under those circumstances either, maybe a picture of my wallet. :p
 
I think people take the NIB thing a little too far. As long as the rifle wasn't shot or the factory grease cleaned from the bore, It's a new rifle. It was out of the box at the retailer's, and likely it had been handled a fair amount at that point, possibly even put on display for a time. There's no good reason for him not to take it out and send you some pictures.
 
landphil said:
Rob, I'd agree with you that NIB doesn't mean sealed box, but it his deal too, his conditions as well, and since you two can't seem to come to an agreement on that, then no deal. I wouldn't send him my money either under those circumstances either, maybe a picture of my wallet. :p
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I had no problem turning down the deal. And yes of course it was his rifle to (buy and then) sell in anyway he wanted to...and I didn't complain once I realized he would not open the box. It just seemed weird to me and I wondered if it was now a common practice and some sort of new definition of NIB that I wasn't aware of because I so rarely buy brand new rifles. With a lot of modern plastic stock rifles I could see it not mattering all that much...they are pretty much identical mass-produced "product"...but not letting a potential buyer even see and evaluate the wood on a relatively expensive fullstock rifle? Thats just plain odd... to me anyway. Cardboard trumping walnut.
 
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Rob said:
The other day I wanted to buy a rifle from a fellow (with an apparently reputable history of buying and selling on Gunnutz) that he said was "new in the box". The price was a few hundred under the advertised price from a retail store...so the saving was substantial enough to interest me. But he wouldn't open the sealed box to take a photo to send me, and all I had to base the appearance of the rifle on was a small photo taken from one side only by the original retail store where he had bought it (and then apparently changed his mind). It was a fullwood "Mannlicher" style rifle, not a synthetic stock rifle, so the appearance of the wood stock was important. Yet, somehow he interpreted "New in the Box" to mean with all taped edges remaining in place, sealed.

I wasn't willing to buy a relatively expensive wood stock rifle without even being able to see a photo of both sides of it. It seemed odd to me, but he insisted that the rifle remain sealed and unseen in the box in order to qualify as "New in the Box", implying that I was being unreasonable and that I somehow didn't understand what "New in the Box" meant.

Am I wrong here? Is that what people mean when they say something is "New in the Box"...must the box remain totally sealed to qualify as NIB? Obviously the original retail store had it out of the box to take the one photograph of it.
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I am pretty sure that he opened the box at the store when he bought it and the retailer won't sell you a gun without making sure it is the right gun that's in the box. What about if the box was stored in a humid basement and there's surface rust all over the gun? If I was a seller I wouldn't want to ship a gun without making sure it is 100% as described in my add.

If you really want that rifle you can ask for a 3 day return, full reimbursement..........

These are NIB and checked on a few times......

 
If the jerk isn't willing to inspect and let you see the product how would you know if it is or isn't damaged before buying it???? Absolutely ridiculas!
 
Something smells here. Is the seller saying the box was never opened? If that is the case, I find it strange then that a retailer would sell a firearms without actually looking it over once and more importantly to confirm the serial number on the gun vs what was on his invoice from the manufacturer/distributer.

Maybe your concern about the quality of wood, is the reason the seller is selling. He looked at it and the wood is crap, thus trying to dump it.
 
okcorral1881 said:
I am pretty sure that he opened the box at the store when he bought it and the retailer won't sell you a gun without making sure it is the right gun that's in the box. What about if the box was stored in a humid basement and there's surface rust all over the gun? If I was a seller I wouldn't want to ship a gun without making sure it is 100% as described in my add.

If you really want that rifle you can ask for a 3 day return, full reimbursement..........

These are NIB and checked on a few times......

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There's a seperate thread for "Lever ####" ;)
 
^^^^ I Agree with this.
If it were a rare Mattel toy from the 60's, or a 70's Hotwheels car, then the value might plummet if the packaging was damaged or opened. A gun sale is not the same thing. However it's his gun and he can make what conditions he likes.
 
Two things are going to happen................

Either he will never sell the rifle or someone is going to get taken in one way or another.

Being that low of a price, especially on this EE and not opened, I would bet my next paycheck that something is up.

I can buy and sell 10 pairs of shoe laces and still have a 10/10 trader rating.
 
McWilly said:
Just a thought, maybe he figured it was like how collectable toys are worth way more when they are still sealed in their original packaging?
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There is no such thing as a sealed boxed gun as it was opened at least once before. Ammo is different sealed boxes are worth more, if old and rare. Some collectors have used medical imaging scanners in clinics (x-rays for older folks;)) to make sure all the bullets were there when buying really expensive stuff.
 
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