i got to test a new ithaca deer slayer 3 at the range yesterday set up with a scope in 20 g and boy was i impresed .it was putting all the slugs in the same hole at 1oo yards i was shooting the rem plactic tips sabots .this gun has the fluted barrel .i was very happy with the way the gun shoot althow a bit on the heavy side it is a very nice shooting deer gun ,and i would even consider taking it mooses hunting .now the bad part the price these go for around 12oo$ wow .thats right over a grand . DUTCH