New long range varmint project in the works

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So i can bag myself some goofers and coyotes at 500 + yards

THe finished product should be about 12 pounds,

My goal is not benchrest shooting but prone with a bypod in the field and at the range.

gunsmith, Clay spencer Virginia USA

it will be ready in 8 months to a year.

Remington receiver blueprinted, Might go with BAT action, Borden, or the sweet surgeon tactical action in single shot, need to discuss benefits with gunsmith.
Clay Spencer stainless barrel with custom index fluting
Indicated crown
Jewell trigger with bolt release and safety, adjustable from 1½ oz. to 4lbs.
McMillen Field Marksman stock (molded-in desert camo)
Decelerator pad Studs
Kelbly bases and rings
chambering 6mm BR 1/8 twist
Muzzle break (to see my hits)

Rifled guaranteed to shoot 1/4"

It also comes with load data that the gunsmith has developped for that rifle.

Heres some picks of the gunsmiths previous work

http://www.6mmbr.com/i/Reader Photos/Spencer_07full640.jpg

http://www.6mmbr.citymaker.com/i/Reader Photos/Spencer_01web640b.jpg

http://www.6mmbr.citymaker.com/i/Reader Photos/Seagroves_026x600.jpg
 
probably very long

it seemed like forever when my buddy imported his rifle.

But it will get here someday

gives me time to accumulate the rest of the money.

i remember when i used to go accross the border and come back an hour later a whole bunch of reloading equipment with no hastles. The border patrol would charge me the gst only and send me on my way.
 
SilverFox, with so many excellent rifle builders/gunsmiths in Canada do you mind if I ask you why you chose to head south of the border for your build? Not meaning to be antagonistic, Im not a builder myself, but I always wonder why people head south rather than support the Canadian firearms industry.
 
Long Range Canuck said:
SilverFox, with so many excellent rifle builders/gunsmiths in Canada do you mind if I ask you why you chose to head south of the border for your build? Not meaning to be antagonistic, Im not a builder myself, but I always wonder why people head south rather than support the Canadian firearms industry.
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While there are some excellent smiths in Kanada, they are not generally well known outside their local area so it can be hard to locate one. Their wait times often exceed the wait time mentioned above. For example, the former smith for Andy Webber's Armament Technology, Sam Adams, lives 10 minutes away from me and it's alomost impossible for you to get any work done by him. I know one individual who has had a rifle in his shop for over 3 years!

Just waiting your turn in line to get work done can be a frustrating enough experiece for most when it's usually just a one-man operation in most of these shops.The delays are possibly by parts/pieces having to be ordered from the US.

I also wonder how many of these smiths hold down regular 9-5 jobs in addition to smithing on the side. I know several that do, and it takes an extremely long time to get even simple work done.
 
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thesilverfox said:
So i can bag myself some goofers and coyotes at 500 + yards

THe finished product should be about 12 pounds,

My goal is not benchrest shooting but prone with a bypod in the field and at the range.

gunsmith, Clay spencer Virginia USA

it will be ready in 8 months to a year.
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I have to disagree with you, 8 months to a year is a fair amount of time. But probably the norm on any Quality rig. I had a fairly elaborate build done with the biggest delay being parts from the States. And I have to Say it is an incredible piece of work. I have a friend that Has a custom done by Coralane sports, which is a beautiful rifle and many other friends with excellent customs with that have builds that exceed anything I have seen come from the states, maybe some of them will jump in here, with Local support from the builders when questions need to be asked. My experiance with candian dealers, builders, smiths has been second to none, and is one reason I ask why people head south of the border.

The only way our firearms industry is going to grow is if we support it. I personaly think that it is great to be able to tap into Local "Canadian" sources for parts ammo and others when we need it. In some cases the price may be a little higher but I think it is well worth supporting to maintain a canadian firearms industry and to help it grow. With time we may beat or exceed American prices. I know in Quality of custom rifles we already Meet or beat alot of what comes from the states.

Just an opinion
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Probably one of the most celebebrated companies here in Kanada is PGW. However, I don't think they'll be doing much in the private sector any more if they can sustain their business with military/government projects.
 
mysticplayer said:
I would start the export process before any money changes hands. Wouldn't it be a joy to have the US reject your request and have a very expensive rig rusting in the US?

Jerry
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ou are responsible to get the gun to our US FFL Partner.

There is a $25 USD FFL Transfer Fee (to take it in from the builder and put
it on our US Partner's books).

There is a $100 USD Export Service Fee (for getting the permits, transport
to Canada and customs paperwork).

If the rifle is made 100% in the US then there is no duty.

There will be 7% GST on the Declared Value in Canadian Dollars.

Depending on where you live there may be PST as well (or HST if in Atlantic
Canada).

Then there is the final shipment cost from Barrie, Ontario to your location
(this obviously depends on dimensions and weight, plus where it's going),
plus the cost of insurance which is $0.75 per $100 value.

Estimated permit time is 8 to 10 weeks (can be quicker).
 
Well, I guess we got to do a bit of advertising then.

I recently had THREE project rifles done my GUNTECH from this board. The work was cutting and rechambering a match barrel to my 7Mystic wildcat (including several emails to compare reamer specs), one muzzle brake install, another barrel set back and cut to proper chamber dimensions.

ALL work done exquisitely. Total time away from my safe, 2.5 WEEKS INCLUDING POSTAGE BOTH WAYS. No one beats that.

I just installed that 7 Mystic barrel and can say the quality of machining and tolerance are perfect. To BR standards for sure. Now to shoot it.

The 7RM he built last year for me drives them into very small groups at 1000m. I am sure the 1000m shoot in Osoyoos post is still on this board. Again, turnaround time was short. Just ask before you send. He will give you an honest ETA.

I have used other smiths with great results. Of course, some are slow. Just ask what their turnaround time is. As to costs, there are some ranges but once you include headaches dealing with courier costs to the US/paperwork and risks, Canada is dirt cheap.

If you go south, just remember that the US can change or revoke any law or permit without notice to you. Norwellian??? Maybe, but how much notice did they give us before putting a ban on BMG supplies? A LR tactical rifle - bad?

There are some in the White House that consider Canada a terrorist friendly country. It's your money, but I would rather keep these toys on my side of the border.

Jerry

PS Some of the best barrels in the World are made in Canada. One company makes some pretty damn good bullets too.
 
I second with Jerry on Guntech. He did my first and only project gun I have ever had done and am very pleased with it. It shoots well beyond my expectations. I shipped to him from MB with no difficulty. The biggest mistake I made was not to stop by and say high and personally thank him when I was on the island this past summer on holidays.


Calvin
 
Pietro Beretta said:
Ultimate calibre for varmint...........22-250 (4,000 f.p.s) with hollow point.
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I disagree; for purely varmint shooting, 6mm BR with 87gr V-Max. .22-250 eats barrels, shoots poor BC bullets, produces a fair amount of muzzle blast, and is in general not an overly efficient cartridge. Doesn't run along my line of reasoning cartridge wise... :) Now with a 1/7" or 1/8" twist it could be OK with 80-90gr, but why not just go .243 then?
 
25-06 would be my choice

and i'd go with an action with more capacity than 1 round. you will probably encounter a situation where there is no time to reload, and you need a quick follow up shot. I tought surgeon made the tactical action with a detachable box magazine. That would be my pick
 
"22-250 eats barrels, shoots poor BC bullets"
No the 22-250 can shoot High BC bulets if the rifle has an appropiate barrel twist and a 22-250 AI can run the 80gr VLDs at arround 3400fps as far as barrel life goes it should hover arround 1500rnds before accuracy starts to drop off
 
Kanada?

2bad4u2 said:
Probably one of the most celebebrated companies here in Kanada is PGW. However, I don't think they'll be doing much in the private sector any more if they can sustain their business with military/government projects.
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Where the hell is that? Must be something to you 'cuz you spelt it that way twice already! g'bye.
 
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