NEW M14 shorty compensator with built in front sight base

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OK fine,
I just got off the phone with Joe Dlask,
and finally, after years of bugging him to do this,
he will be making some test prototypes of my design for an M14 SHORTY compensator,
bored for .30 caliber, threaded 1/2 X 28 tpi,
AND
it will have a BUILT IN M 14 FRONT SIGHT BASE dovetailed to take a standard M14 front sight.

So there you have it ...
another M14 shorty compensator option in the works,
but this one puts the front sight out near the muzzle,
with a longer sight radius,
where it looks the best,
for the most "Tacticool " points.

Hopefully, after testing Dlask will be including this NEW design with his other line of CANADIAN made compensators and flash hiders, and we won't have to bore out any more .223 AR 15 muzzle accessories for our M14 shorties no more.

If you like the concept an M14 shorty comp with a built in front sight base,
give Dlask a call or an E-mail to let him know that the market is there for this item.

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Lazerus2000 said:
The design concept has not been finalised in working test prototypes yet so no pics,
but,
it will looks a bit like one of the comp / front sight combos in this pic:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537590&page=3
posting # 25.

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Dude, you and doc are just plain mean and evil. You post all this stuff to make us drool and yearn, then leave us all blue and hurty.

You both remind me of the girl I dated in grade 8, She had all the stuff I wanted but would never let me play with it :p:p:p:p


:cheers: thanks for brining us new M14 goodies
 
I would rock one of those compensators with the 3 individual cut outs in it , however instead of a square block of steel then the sight base , how about rounding out that square piece , it just doesnt look right the way it sits .
 
EC,
let us re-phrase your confirmation.

I GAVE my compensator/front sight design to Joe, to do with as he pleases.

If Joe thinks that there is a market for this item, he will manufacture and market them himself. This potential product has nothing at all to do with me ... other than that I'm just the guy who dreams this weird M14 stuff up, sketches the prototype on a napkin, and hands it to Joe.

If you want to see this design for a SHORTY M14 combo compensator and front sight actually built and marketed, make Dlask aware that there is a legitimate market for such an item.

Dlask specialises in AR 10s and Colt Govt Type pistols, which is a much bigger market compared to the M14s. So we need to convince him that his start up costs, R & D, etc. will not be wasted on a product with limited appeal.
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KC,
the flat sides of the front SEPARATE sight base shown are there for a couple of reasons, aside from " TACTICOOL STYLIN" :

1.] ease of protoyping a previous proof of concept.
It was a LOT easier to use a carbide ball cutter to mill in the CORNER CONCAVE contours rather than trying to mill A ROUND ALL AROUND THE CIRCUMFERENCE.

2.] Wrench flats, used to tighten such a device,
AND AS FLATS TO INDEX TRUE/SQUARE VERTICAL with the receiver.

Barry, of Bits of pieces makes a very nicely machined M 14 Gas Ring Front Sight, and I use one of his creations as a tool for indexing Shorty barrels to the receiver. Place a 6" straight edge across the top of the GRFS dovetail, place another 6" straight edge at the rear flat of the receiver, and it is easy to get very close to perfect M 14 shorty barrel indexing.

PS: Do NOT try this method of indexing with a NORC front sight base, AS FAR TOO MANY OF THE CHINESE FRONT SIGHT BASES ARE OFF OF TRUE, EITHER WITH THE SPLINES ROTATED OFF, OR THE ACTUAL FRONT SIGHT BASE MILLED AT AN ANGLE.
This is one of the main reasons I stopped using cut down Norc front sight bases.

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Lazerus2000 said:
OK fine,
I just got off the phone with Joe Dlask,
and finally, after years of bugging him to do this,
he will be making some test prototypes of my design for an M14 SHORTY compensator,
bored for .30 caliber, threaded 1/2 X 28 tpi,
AND
it will have a BUILT IN M 14 FRONT SIGHT BASE dovetailed to take a standard M14 front sight.

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Is that true? Did you design the baffles and the rest?Or by "my design " you mean the fact that the muzzle break includes the front sight?
 
Kaiser,
I was designing EFFECTIVE compensators for IPSC competition pistols as far back as the mid 1980s. I was [ ?arguably? ] the First Canadian gun smith to build a pistol comp in Canada, [ certainly one of the first any how ]. Since I was also a fairly decent IPSC competitor back then, my comps were tested in IPSC competition, provincially and at the national level. My various pistol comp designs did well enough to get me [ and some of my customers ] to the Canadian Championships ... once [ for me personally ] as a member of the BC team.

WAYYyyyyy back then, the only RIFLE comp I actually built was for my Flat Top, shorty AR 10, which was basically a 7.62 M4 clone, long before an M4 had been dreamed up. Although I did play around with several various military muzzle accessories, including owning an Auistralian L2 FN, with the HUMUNGOUS/BULBOUS whatchamacallit on the end.

So I do have some experience and credibility with compensator design ...
all be it ancient history now, by today's standards.

When it comes to comps I am at least a "Has Been" rather than a "wannabe".

Compensators for pistols are quite different than comps for rifles ....
pressures, flow dynamics, volumes, etc are different, and don't really translate across.
AND,
comps for the smaller bore AR 15 do NOT necessarily scale up for the .308 Win sized rifles. My experience here is limited. I have fitted dozens of different types of muzzle accessories on to dozens of various M14 shorties, and AR 15 shorties, and they all are compromises between muzzle flash, recoil reduction, and noise. Where you choose to draw the line between these three often mutually exclusive parameters is what makes one comp "better" for one application.

And don't forget, individual, personal preferences eg "FEEL" may have a major bearing on what comp works best for an individual. When it came to pistol comps, it was possible to tune the design to the individual so precisely that true "double taps" would be very close to each other, for one shooter with one load.

If you want more current, more relevant information on Rifle compensators, there are several others here on CGN with much more current rifle comp experience [ I am thinking specifically here of Alberta Tactical and their NEW design for AR 15 shorties ]. However, if you check back, you will see I did have some input into the M14 shorty Optimised Compensator that Sean Rauch marketed last year. Seam and i discussed modifying his comps for my front sight base, but nothing ever came of that.

I am also collaberating with Andrew [ Clobbersaurus ] on some R&D for various rifle comps.

MOST of the comps on the market do a VERY decent job at recoil control. It is where you want to draw the lines between muzzle flash and noise, where it gets most interesting. I've personally watched while a full powered 7.62 NATO round goes off in an M14, with the front end resting lightly on a sand bag, with no other effort made to hold the muzzle down, with almost zero muzzle rise. With many of the comps we already have, a shorty M14 recoils about as much as a rifle shooting 7.62 Russian instead of 7.62 NATO.

Truthfully, my experience here shows that with the shorty M14s, stock design is much more critical to fast follow up shots than which muzzle brake you choose.. Adding a pistol grip and a straight line stock to an M14 shorty gives more benefit to recoil control than any comps I've tried.

Joe Dlask makes many different styles of comps, and I am letting him choose which version he will use. It will probably be his PWS clone, modified for the front sight base. I like SHORT comps on an M14 SHORTY after all "Tacticool Stylin" IS important, NEH?.
Other than that, My only stipulation was that he use a COMPENSATOR, not one of his FLASH HIDERS.
Hope this clarifies things,
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regardless of design origins and all that jazz..... it will be excellent to be able to source a well thought out muzzle device for the m14 shorty 1/2x28 thread with the front sight encorporated into the device's design.
The Dlask PWS clone..... marketted by me as a BULL-14 , is an option on my shorty work, and most of my clients running them seem to be very pleased with the effectiveness of that Dlask product. Will be nice to see a front sight encorporated into the equation.
 
As for comparing compensator effectiveness,
what we really need is a standard OBJECTIVE test to use for comparison.
Laying the front of an M 14 on a sandbag, and taking high speed video from the side with various muzzle devices, WILL give us some valuable OBJECTIVE data for comparison.
However,
the FEEL of a comp equipped gun is always going to be a more SUBJECTIVE and harder to nail down parameter.

The ejected powder burn gas has volume and velocity, which both play a part, and directing the gases in the right direction, at the right speed, and at the right velocity to provide a "jet" effect, are what makes one comp feel different and sound different, AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.


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The PWS style comp, while billed as also working as a Flash eliminator, with some powders and loads, some times, has a disconcerting and distracting "V" of flash. This "V" is not as prominent with a Dlask / PWS style comp on an M14 shorty [ and in fact THE Dlask / PWS comp - by any name - is my current favorite set up on my own personal M 14 shorty right now. ] While I personally like the DLASK PWS clone as very EFFECTIVE at managing recoil, I find that style a bit louder and flashier than some of the others. And by that remark, I mean LOUDER and FLASHIER FOR THE SHOOTER

THE DLASK / MIKELUK CLONE, WITH THE THREE MASSIVE SIDE PORTS, is also quite effective at recoil control, but on a shorty M 14, it seems to me to be louder to the side, and not so l;oud for the shooter.
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YPMMV.

And on my shorty AR 15, with an LMT 10.5" barrel,
I MUCH prefer the trade off between GREATLY REDUCED NOISE TO THE SHOOTER and MINIMAL recoil reduction that I get with the DLASK / VANG COMP, with the gases all going forward, over the PWS, which with some loads, definitely has a very visible “V” of fire distracting me.

So, proper comp design and proper comp selection will still boil down to prioritising the three ,main variables, and deciding on the balance between recoil reduction, flash, and noise …
amount AND direction.
And don't forget STYLE ... 'style is always important for TACTICOOL POINTS.
I personally like the YHM combo comp/FH the best for STYLE,
and it works well as a comp too.
as always,
YPMMV.

But as Thomas said,
It is nice to have more choices.
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