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Mattdog

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Hi, I am new here. I live on Vancouver Island, a self employed engineer, married, 37 yo.

I'm just getting into hunting, have passed my Firearm safety course and am waiting for my licence. I will be challenging the hunting exam in the next few weeks but have never hunted once before.

Looking for advice on what rifle to buy first to learn how to shoot. I've never shot before. Also would be interested in hooking up with hunting Mentors.

My objective is to start hunting as soon as possible. Right now I am only interested in upland game birds and Island black tail deer. I am considering a 20 gauge shotgun for birds and something like a 7mm-08 for deer (also versatile for larger deer and other big game, I have read).

An acquaintance suggested I get a .22 first to learn how to shoot - at our local range.

I'll be cruising this site quite a bit I expect.

Cheers ...
 
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You've got a very realistic set of goals there. Your choices are fantastic, 20 guage is probably the best mainstream upland gauge if not the best overall, and 7mm-08 will take anything up to moose and elk cleanly with a shooter who knows what he's doing. If you ever hunt the big guys, you can load bullets up to 175grs in the 7mm-08, or go as light as 135grs for little island deer. I personally have wanted to hunt deer in the gulf islands for some time now, I'm not sure if Saltspring still has their shotgun hunt or not... I digress. The only other thing you might consider, as from when I was on Saltspring I remember small island deer hunting being shotgun only (you've got plenty of rifle areas on Vancouver Island mind you, just for your info this part), is to go with a 12 guage like the Remington 870 where you can change barrels in ten seconds so you can both upland hunt and deer hunt with the same gun if need be. 20 guage will have no problem taking island deer mind you either, just 12 gauge carries a little extra insurance.

As for a rimfire, I agree with your friend, if you've never shot you really should start on a rimfire. It is VERY easy to develop bad habits starting on a centerfire like the 7mm-08, such as a flinch. The 7mm-08 actually has quite mild recoil but to people just starting it will seem to bark and punch pretty stiffly. A .22 lets you gain a lot of markmanship experience, such as trigger control and "getting the feel" at a very low cost. You could easily get a good .22 repeater in the equipment exchange here for $150, and it's something you'll never outgrow. If you go after grouse, it may even be your hunting gun at times.
 
Hey Ardent,

Super advice, thanks. I admit I thought taking a deer in the woods would be as simple as getting it in your cross-hair and pulling the trigger but I'm learning there's way more to it (I was fooled by the tameness of the ubiquitous black tails that cruise all over our neighborhoods at night, eating treasured gardens, but they're basically pets now, not shootable!). To me that's a good thing since I'm up for a challenge.

Okay, do you know the model name/number of the 12/20 gge shotgun? Sounds perfect. I was looking at the Remington Wingmaster - got great reviews - and the Express which I've read is kinda cheap (but maybe okay for me ...?)

And how to I get into the traders section here - it says "Private" and I cant see the posts?

Oh, and would you suggest getting a scope on the .22 to get used to it as well? Perhaps one I could transfer to another rifle later.

P.S. not sure about Saltspring but the on main Island the deer seem to grow like weeds based on the urban immigrant ones. I read that Cougar populations are super high, I'm guessing due to all the deer.


Thanks, again :)
 
For the equipment exchange, go to 'User CP' in the tool bar above this thread, then scroll down your left hand menu and the second to last option is 'Group Memberships' I believe. Select that, and it's all downhill from there. :) Not sure if this board requires a minimum post count to join the EE or not... I don't think so, and if it does, it will be low.

As for the 870, what I meant by the two barrels was one would be like a 28" vent rib barrel with choke tubes for upland shooting, and the other would be a shorter barrel with rifle sights (potentially rifled) for deer hunting, but both would be in 12 guage.

The 870 is a fanastic shotgun, and it will last you a lifetime. There's also the Mossberg 500, it too is a very sturdy gun and both can be had brand new in upland configurations for around $300, even less for the Mossberg at some retailers. Either 12 or 20 gauge, you won't go wrong. Shells cost the same for both roughly, the 12 gauge recoils more, but is more versatile. For a new shooter, it's a tough call, the 20 is likely the better choice but just want to field your options for you. 20 guage is still legal for deer in BC, the smallest guage that is though, so you'd still be set for shotgun deer hunts.

As for the wingmaster and express, both are the same shotgun, just different levels of trim and fit and finish. Both will be equally reliable, and both are extremely good guns. The wingmaster is simply the classic, with rich bluing and mid range wood, while the express features plastic stocks and a dark rough finish. One's a classic hunter, the other's a work gun, just by virtue of how they're dressed. Honestly, if I was you, I'd opt for the Express, and they're selling in the equipment exchange for around $300 vs $500-750 for a wingmaster (that's all in 12 guage of course, 20's are much rarer and a bit pricier, and I'm not even sure they offer the express in 20). You can easily find the spare deer barrel for either (in 12 guage, 20 would be tougher and you'd likely have to order it in), as they use the same barrels and are the same gun.

As for the .22, honestly I'd just go with open sights (commonly referred to as iron sights). Put the scope on your hunting rifle and leave it there in my opinion, just practice plenty with the hunting rifle once you "graduate" up from the .22. There's only a few minor considerations when first learning to use a scope, none large enough I would worry about trying it for the first time on a 7mm-08. A lot of cheap .22's are impractical to scope anyhow and are designed for iron sights only, as this serves a rimfire's purpose ideally typically. Iron sights are quicker, more compact, offer a much wider field of view, and are much more durable. The trade off is they are range limited typically, less precise than a scope. .22's are short range rifles that get banged around, so iron sights are ideal.

When it comes to your scope, spend a little money, it will save you a LOT of grief. You are WAY ahead of the game buying a used Leupold for the same price as a brand new Bushnell. Leupolds are American made, very very high quality scopes. Their basic line will suit your needs just fine of the Rifleman, VX-1, or fixed power scopes. I'd recommend you spend up to $400 on your scope, some of those listed can be had for less, but don't cheap out on this item, and for a newbie I'll just simply state you honestly can't go wrong with a Leupold.

As for the rifle, take a good look at the Stevens 200, it's made by Savage as a no frills version of their pricier models. It's a no nonsense hunting rifle that is very accurate and of high quality, and retails for a very low price, typically $320-350. It's also easily had in 7mm-08. There's also the Remington Model 700 SPS, their value priced no frills hunting version of the Model 700 (same situation as the express 870, cheaper stock [though more durable], and rougher matte black finish), it retails between $500 and $600, also easily had in 7mm-08. I'm not trying to list you dirt cheap options all the way along, but rather just good hunting guns. You may wish something prettier and your budget likely allows for far fancier guns, and there's nothing wrong with that. Typically though, hunting rifles get used hard, rain on, dropped, and it's nice to have a "workhorse" you don't mind bumping around.
 
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