NEW POF-USA Tombstone 9mm Lever Gun
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Weren’t they planning a five round limit for all rifles like a year ago? You don’t need five rounds to shoot a deer or something like that? Now, it may be a bridge too far at the moment for them with the backlash against hunting rifles being threatened recently.
This is cool, but out of my price range and mag capacity could be problematic as already mentioned ….. and I believe even pistol magazines have to be pistol magazines “commonly available in Canada” or something like that …. So maybe just 5 rounds unless some handguns made it in before the ban.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/tru...e-s-what-the-liberals-have-promised-1.5919582
“Require long-gun magazines be permanently altered "so that they can never hold more than five rounds”
For seemingly all rifles … they talked like that for a while.
Or do you mean the commonly available thing? That I just remember being said over and over … for example, the 9mm hi point carbine takes the same magazine as their pistol, but the pistol has a barrel less than 105mm and not available in Canada, so the hi point carbine magazine was limited to five rounds in Canada for the 9mm version.
Prohibited Devices
3 (1) Any cartridge magazine
(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,
(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,
(iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,
(v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or
(vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or
So, Section (i) being the relevant one here possibly, if there isn’t a commonly available handgun
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For semi automatic rifles yes, but not for manually operated rifles. There were a bunch of press releases and some online fervour over ambiguous the language at the time and people wondering if it meant all rifles … it was discussed at the time, but I can’t find any threads now in the search. I’m good at remembering details, but not so much timelines …. Like maybe a year or two ago there were a bunch of news stories.
So I guess that's why my T3x TACA1's proprietary magazine can take 10 rounds...because the rifle is a bolt action and the mag doesn't fit anywhere else other than a CTR (also bolt action).
These magazine rules are so confusing and I agree that to anticipate the Liberals' moves are an exercise in futility.
I am befuddled why I can use a LAR15 pistol mag with 10 rounds in my X95/WK legally (at least for now)...LAR15 is designed for pistol but just so happens to fit into an AR platform...
But I can't use my Butler Creek 25 round banana mag for my 10/22, even though it was designed for my 10/22 (packaging even says this) and this mag preceeded the invention of the Charger pistol, in which it happens to also fit. But because of this, I cannot use this for my 10/22 anymore.
All this is proof positive we have people in government making decisions who have no semblance of understanding of firearms and function. I for one am looking forward to PP becoming PM and putting people like Dancho, Lloyd, Zimmer, Calkins and Motz on his cabinet who actually have firearms knowledge and experience.
No, you don't know the mag laws apparently.
All handgun mags are limited to a max of 10 rounds. That's why you see 10 round LAR mags.
30 rounds is larger than 10 rounds. If these mags were legal here they would be 30 rounds, which is larger than 10 in case you didn't know.
I don't own a glock or glock mags. I would want to buy new mags for a new gun especially if the capacity is larger.
You like a few others are missing the entire point.
Bcl has proprietary mags for their rifle for this exact reason
Mag laws summarized:
Centrefire semi: 5 round max
Centrefire manual action: unregulated. (Pump lever bolt revolver etc)
Rimfire handguns: 10 round max
Rimfire anything else: unregulated.
You cannot modify a magazine to fit another firearm (fitting a mag doesn't count)
You can modify a firearm to fit a magazine.
I believe they are pistol magazines from their Phoenix pistol.
US companies don't design/manufacture with the Canadian market in mind. If they're making proprietary mags it's because they want the sales - not to appease the 4 Canadians that will buy one of their guns.
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The LAR/!0/22 befuddlement is a sign that they want to limit and control and enforce restrictions more then they want to use common sense and look at facts and evidence. They don't like the LAR pistol magazines in AR's and they refuse to consider that over a decade of 10 round AR magazine use did not cause one single safety issue and is proof positive that at the very least there is no good argument for restricting vetted Canadians to 10 round magazines in semi autos. 10 round magazines are all ready 1/3 of the standard magazine capacity for an AR.
"Armed" with this knowledge, they procede to operate on a premise that the goal should be to move all magazines to 5 rounds if possible because they believe there is no such thing as bad gun control and operate under the premise that more restrictions are better then less by default.
They are being wilfully ignorant due to an anti gun politically motivated ideology.
I don't think the lever rifle idea for a pistol cartridge is necessarily a bad thing. Henry has .357/.38SPL levers and they look great. For me, the goofy part is the detachable magazine as well as the general look of it. If it looks like a cowboy lever style (ala Henry Golden Boy), I think it would be quite popular and could be loaded with a speedloader.
Agree with the pump gun idea - that would be awesome.
They're very obviously not trying to appeal to the traditional cowboy lever types with this. A mag fed gun is infinitely more functional than a tube fed gun, if the goal is fast reloads (Which happen in competitions that aren't CAS).
