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45-70 on buffs
Conan568
Whered'ja shoot the buffler? And I don't mean in the heart, lungs, etc.
Last I looked, the minimum calibre for taking a buff was the .30-'06 with a 180 gr bullet. This based on foot lbs of energy at 100 yards. I think it's in the LEH regs; couldn't find it in the synopsis.
This despite the number of buffs taken historically by the 45-70 and other BPCRs.
The incident that sparked this was a woman getting steamrollered by a buff after she pelted it with 5 .270 rds. She survived due to the deep snow.
I lost the toss to cull a buff on a ranch to a pal with a 45-90. Took him three rds because of poor shot placement. I think I could have done it with one rd with a 45-70.
Conan568
Whered'ja shoot the buffler? And I don't mean in the heart, lungs, etc.
Last I looked, the minimum calibre for taking a buff was the .30-'06 with a 180 gr bullet. This based on foot lbs of energy at 100 yards. I think it's in the LEH regs; couldn't find it in the synopsis.
This despite the number of buffs taken historically by the 45-70 and other BPCRs.
The incident that sparked this was a woman getting steamrollered by a buff after she pelted it with 5 .270 rds. She survived due to the deep snow.
I lost the toss to cull a buff on a ranch to a pal with a 45-90. Took him three rds because of poor shot placement. I think I could have done it with one rd with a 45-70.
Guns for Buffs in BC
I was wrong - it's in the regs synopsis on page 16:
"Ammunition to hunt bison must be contructed with a 175 grain or larger bullet, which retains 2,712 joules (2,000 ft. lbs.) or more energy at 100 m."
I don't know what a 45-70 has left at 100 m, but it sure as hell isn't 2,000 ft. lbs. with any bullet you'd use to shoot a buff.
Back in the days when the Gang Ranch had a small herd of semi-tame buffs, I met a US hunter from Pennsylvania who drove up just to shoot a one. He shot it at close range with a 45-70 and ended up dropping it with a .300 Magnoon.
He hauled it home in a freezer on a flat bed trailer with a small generator supplying power. I was amazed that anyone would invest in such a hunt with all the excitement of shooting a head of beef.
I was wrong - it's in the regs synopsis on page 16:
"Ammunition to hunt bison must be contructed with a 175 grain or larger bullet, which retains 2,712 joules (2,000 ft. lbs.) or more energy at 100 m."
I don't know what a 45-70 has left at 100 m, but it sure as hell isn't 2,000 ft. lbs. with any bullet you'd use to shoot a buff.
Back in the days when the Gang Ranch had a small herd of semi-tame buffs, I met a US hunter from Pennsylvania who drove up just to shoot a one. He shot it at close range with a 45-70 and ended up dropping it with a .300 Magnoon.
He hauled it home in a freezer on a flat bed trailer with a small generator supplying power. I was amazed that anyone would invest in such a hunt with all the excitement of shooting a head of beef.
I was surprised at how low the energy levels are in standard 45-70 ammunition, the Hornady 45-70 GOVT 325 gr FTX LEVERevolution just makes the limit at 2158 ft/lbs at 100 yards, it starts at 3032 ft/lbs at the muzzle. Remington’s hottest loading is at 1492 ft/lbs at 100 and 2182 ft/lbs at the muzzle, I would imagine that these low numbers are due to keeping pressures down for older rifles.
P.S. Those are damn fine looking Sharps rifles and I hate you!
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I guess buffalo is out My woman is worried about africa, and there is no more caribou and now I cant hunt buffalo. Damn, my life has become pathetic rather quickly. 
My woman is worried about africa, and there is no more caribou and now I cant hunt buffalo. Damn, my life has become pathetic rather quickly.
The velocity of a Sharps bullet is pretty low.
When you combine that with a 540 grain lead bullet you get amazing penetration properties.
I shot my Buff right through the ticker with an old 45-90 Shiloh Farmingdale rifle at Tatonka flats.
These big slow bullets kill by making a large hole through any animal it hits.
The exit wound was about 1.5".
Of course we never found the bullet.
I'm going to go on an Elk hunt this year and I'll either use my 40-90 or my 45-110, I can't decide which.
It may come down to a coin toss.
Loads for buffs
The Hornady 'Revolution' 325 grain load at 2050 fps may be the answer. It it achieves that out of carbine barrel, a longer barreled rifle will do better.
However, a .45 calibre 500 gr. bullet at 1200 fps is right on the line. Might take a court case to sort it out.
Kirk Bryan at Shiloh has stated more than once that any load you can shoot in a Ruger #1 is a load a Shiloh '74 can handle. It's a question of how much recoil you can handle.
My slow moving 425 gr. .50 calibre bullets punch straight through as well. Only once had a bullet recovered. The game cutter handed me a slightly mangled chunk of lead and asked what the hell it was.
The Hornady 'Revolution' 325 grain load at 2050 fps may be the answer. It it achieves that out of carbine barrel, a longer barreled rifle will do better.
However, a .45 calibre 500 gr. bullet at 1200 fps is right on the line. Might take a court case to sort it out.
Kirk Bryan at Shiloh has stated more than once that any load you can shoot in a Ruger #1 is a load a Shiloh '74 can handle. It's a question of how much recoil you can handle.
My slow moving 425 gr. .50 calibre bullets punch straight through as well. Only once had a bullet recovered. The game cutter handed me a slightly mangled chunk of lead and asked what the hell it was.
