New Tavor barrel and accuracy

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Has anyone done it - by changing the stock barrel with a custom barrel? Did the accuracy improve? Who did the work?
I have shot about 7000 rounds through mine so I would like to improve the accuracy to < 2 MOA.
 
While I haven't completed load tests I do have a couple of promising loads coming out of my Tavor, 1.4" if memory serves.

I made a thread about it, should still be on the first page of Black Rifles.

While 7000 rnds sounds like a lot, it isn't enough to burn up a .223 barrel you should be able to double that before its shows signs of being shot out.

$1500 sounds like a lot to spend to avoid reloading IMHO....... Now if you are planning on using the Tavor as a high precision bench rig out to 500, that's a different story.

Cheers!
 
No, you are not missing anything. My Tavor was the 1st shipment from Canada Ammo. Ever since I have the Tavor, my grouping has been 2-4 MOA. I have tried the following ammo:
Winchester White Box 55 gr
American Eagle 55, 62 gr
Remington Green and White box 55 gr
PMC 55 gr
Shooting from prone, off a rest, off a bench. The best grouping result has been 2-3 MOA. I want to explore the option to get a new barrel and see whether it will reduce the grouping to < 2 MOA.
I have not been able to get hold of any heavier match ammo like Black Hill.
 
Solar said:
I have already disconnected the trigger spring, and the trigger pull is around 7.5 lb. My grouping is still 2-3 MOA.
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Yes, as I said - I think the main issue is with the trigger. I don't think removing that tiny spring is gonna do it (which, incidentally - is there to prevent accidental discharges). I think we'd need to look at replacing one or more of the main springs with something lighter to get the weight down to the 4-5lb range.
 
I'm not a gunsmith, but I have owned two Tavors; a gun which I love, with the exception of its accuracy. I think that in order to get the accuracy down around the 1 MOA mark, someone would have to work the trigger weight down to around 2.5-4 pounds and ensure that it is smooth, with a clean break.

Next a heavier profile match barrel. The regular Tavor barrel is a "pencil barrel", as one CGN'er worded it. Perhaps, why the shorter barrels for this gun have been deemed more accurate, is because there is less barrel whip, as it is shorter and therefore more rigid. I'm curious to see how Mr. Smitty's 300 Whisper project works out, in terms of accuracy.

After that, and this would be one of the hardest steps, would be to remove the rail mounts from the barrel, so that it was truly free floated. You'd have to find another way to mount a sighting system to the receiver.

I'm sure that Ian at Herron, could take a swing at a project like this if he was not so busy working on ACR's, but I imagine that there are enough Tavor owner's out there now, for someone to invest in a donor gun and make a project like this work. I'm sure there would be years of work for any gunsmith would could create an accurizing package for the Tavor that would get it around 1 MOA.

I know I'd buy another one. Gotta be some skilled gunsmith out there ready to accept the challenge, and claim the CGN glory and $$$$$!
 
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I'm curious to see how Mr. Smitty's 300 Whisper project works out, in terms of accuracy.
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This probably perks my interest the most as opposed to simply replacing it with a match barrel in 5.56mm. Particularly if it's able to run both subsonic and supersonic in 300BLK.

I completely agree with your assessment on the trigger. I wonder if some standard AR15 trigger springs could be substituted on one or two spots on the Tavor?
 
Solar said:
No, you are not missing anything. My Tavor was the 1st shipment from Canada Ammo. Ever since I have the Tavor, my grouping has been 2-4 MOA. I have tried the following ammo:
Winchester White Box 55 gr
American Eagle 55, 62 gr
Remington Green and White box 55 gr
PMC 55 gr
Shooting from prone, off a rest, off a bench. The best grouping result has been 2-3 MOA. I want to explore the option to get a new barrel and see whether it will reduce the grouping to < 2 MOA.
I have not been able to get hold of any heavier match ammo like Black Hill.
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Pencil barrel and you're shooting cheap bulk ammo. Have you tried any premium brands of ammo? You could likely get below 2MOA with better ammo alone, letting the barrel cool for a little bit between shots and letting it cool completely between strings would help even more. Also remember, the Tavor was not designed to be a precision rifle, and IMO 2MOA is more than acceptable for a rifle of that sort. If you want a sub-MOA tack driver, start reloading and buy a Swiss Arms.
 
People keep making excuses for the Tavor's poor accuracy. Yes, it was never designed to be precision rifle, but I don't think it is unreasonable to expect any modern military 5.56 rifle to have comparable accuracy to an AR15. After all the Tavor was designed and engineered 30 years after the AR. I'm pretty sure that the technological advances in that time would facilitate those accuracy expectations. Not to mention the improvements in ammunition quality.
 
I should ask some of the IDF guys what kind of groupings their getting.

Part of the reason I don't get too into these conversations is because you're right: We're all too happy to make excuses for the rifle, myself included.

I don't feel that I've spent enough time with one optic and one load to get a really good idea of what the rifle is capable of. So maybe its me, or maybe there really is a project here to improve the Tavor. There are lots of exciting ideas around modifications to make it more accurate or change the caliber, but I'm content to keep trying to get better with what I have for now.

At the end of the day, its a question of whether I'm happy shooting it, and I am.

(side note: I've shot and edited most of a disassembly video. Maybe talking about it online is enough to get me off my ass and finish it.)
 
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