new to black rifles, XCR or SL8?

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Rob_man587

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Well as the title says im new to this, and i am in search of a NON- RESTRICTED black rifle. iv looked at xcr's, sl8's, kel tec, and swiss arms and so far out of all of them iv narrowed down to the xcr and the sl8.

Now iv looked at videos, reviews and read enough about the xcr to write a novel :HR: and i have yet to come up with a half decent video OR review of that matter on the SL8. i think the rifle is pretty versatile to what im looking for.
For those wondering i want something reliable, good fire power BUT no cost at loosing accuracy, not to mention the ability to get upgrades or spare parts heaven forbid i break one. im a simple guy and love simplicity. :nest:
i like the idea of being able to have a continuous rail on the top of the rifle, but still having the quad rail system just in case i turn to an "advanced civilian" and decide to go for a flashlight and what not.

SO what i want to know is what are your opinions about the sl8 the pros cons, versatility and your preferences on the rifle, as well as the comparison to the xcr. (note) if i were to choose which style of sl8 id throw that thumb hole stock that they have in the garbage and get an adapter for an AR style stock. my 2 cents

thank you all for your help, and time you took to read my usless question :p

Cheers Rob
P.S i am going to need a beard before i buy a black rifle!
 
Rob_man587 said:
ahh ill pass not a fan of bulpup
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You're too quick on the draw! ;) No, you only need a beard if you get an AR and pimp it with Magpul accessories. OK, so I'm going with the assumption that you have reasons for narrowing down your choices (budget probably being one for nix'ing the Swiss Arms and ACR) - so between the two I'm going to say XCR-L.

(That refreshing pause you hear is me looking nervously around for the ground to swallow up or something...)

There's nothing you need to modify the XCR-L out-of-the-box: No aftermarket lower, magazine well, bolt release, folding/collapsible stock, hand guard, rails, etc. Weight and accuracy are going to be relatively the same. And if you plan to hunt you can get a 6.8SPC or 7.62x39 upper for it. And it takes standard AR magazines (including the new 16-round .50 Beowulf ones). :D

I'm not a personal fan of the MR1. "Apparently" it shoots well. ;) I can't stand the ergonomics, control placement and lack of options with respect to optics, mounting points and stocks.
 
caramel said:
A Swiss or MR-1, cant go wrong with either, cant talk for the others... My 0.02... JP.
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i dont like the MR-1 its not what im looking for. hence continuous top rail. and the Swiss are hard to get parts if im not mistaken and expensive. also they are frigging tanks in the wight depart.

blaxsun said:
You're too quick on the draw! ;) No, you only need a beard if you get an AR and pimp it with Magpul accessories. OK, so I'm going with the assumption that you have reasons for narrowing down your choices (budget probably being one for nix'ing the Swiss Arms and ACR) - so between the two I'm going to say XCR-L.

That refreshing pause you hear is me looking nervously around for the ground to swallow up or something.
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haha ok so i can keep my baby face then! :D and you are correct on the swiss, nice rifle dont get me wrong but man. $3000 or more depending if its new or not.
may i ask why you choose said..... XCR-L (looks for cracks in earth)
 
Rob_man587 said:
i dont like the MR-1 its not what im looking for. hence continuous top rail. and the Swiss are hard to get parts if im not mistaken and expensive. also they are frigging tanks in the wight depart.

haha ok so i can keep my baby face then! :D and you are correct on the swiss, nice rifle dont get me wrong but man. $3000 or more depending if its new or not.
may i ask why you choose said..... XCR-L (looks for cracks in earth)
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The Swiss is a great rifle, and there have been relatively few issues with them. However, by the time you add a quad rail you'll be into it for over $4k. And then there's the weight issue. For me the real nail in the coffin though is the proprietary 5-round magazines. Yes, you can get a lower - but you'll now be fast approaching $5k. You can probably source a minty used one for about $1k less, but then you still have your optics, ammunition...

What I would like to tell you to do is buy a restricted Bushmaster ACR, and send it to Herron Arms to have a match barrel with integrated brake/flash hider installed. This will run you upwards of $3,600, though - and take a few months.

(OK, I didn't see any cracks - but I did hear some rumbling in the distance - so I had to look around again...)

The XCR-L probably fits the bill for you in terms of a fairly accurate, relatively affordable and not overly heavy black rifle. There is little if anything you need to do out-of-the-box (upgrading the pistol grip would be my only recommendation), and if you plan to hunt with it (as quite a few do), it's really the only option if you're not into the bullpup style black rifles.
 
blaxsun said:
What I would like to tell you to do is buy a restricted Bushmaster ACR, and send it to Herron Arms to have a match barrel with integrated brake/flash hider installed. This will run you upwards of $3,600, though - and take a few months.
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Not that I'm trying to downplay his business, and in fact I doubt I would by saying this as he's top notch. However Herron Arms has come forward to say that the RCMP haven't processed one of his reclassifications since the death of the LGR, which sucks the proverbial ballzak. Just FYI.

HerronArms said:
One of my customers has been waiting 3 months for the sfss to do his class change, he is frustrated with them as am I.
Seems to be taking a lot longer since the registry went away, come to think of it they have to date not completed a single class change submitted by me
since the legislation change. Draw your own conclusions as to why or better yet call the number below and ask why.

the number is 18007314000 ext 1090
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blaxsun said:
The Swiss is a great rifle, and there have been relatively few issues with them. However, by the time you add a quad rail you'll be into it for over $4k. And then there's the weight issue. For me the real nail in the coffin though is the proprietary 5-round magazines. Yes, you can get a lower - but you'll now be fast approaching $5k. You can probably source a minty used one for about $1k less, but then you still have your optics, ammunition...


What I would like to tell you to do is buy a restricted Bushmaster ACR, and send it to Herron Arms to have a match barrel with integrated brake/flash hider installed. This will run you upwards of $3,600, though - and take a few months.
now i have looked at these and i do like them, as you have said they are restricted and i would have to wait. one question is how do i purchase this rifle without a restricted license?

(OK, I didn't see any cracks - but I did hear some rumbling in the distance - so I had to look around again...)

The XCR-L probably fits the bill for you in terms of a fairly accurate, relatively affordable and not overly heavy black rifle. There is little if anything you need to do out-of-the-box (upgrading the pistol grip would be my only recommendation), and if you plan to hunt with it (as quite a few do), it's really the only option if you're not into the bullpup style black rifles.
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th first statement is this all for the swiss ?
i would not beable to hunt with the sl8? or is it just to heavy / big.

( how much loctite will keep the cracks from opening?)
 
blaxsun said:
Loctite pulled my endorsement, the bastards... ;)
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well let me say I was a XCR hater....till i held the newer one....and I dropped the hammer and bought it I took it all apart added the loctite and have fired 800rds in 3 weeks out of it 0 issues with Hornady ammo holds 1.5/2" avg at 100meters 3" with surplus (7.62 39) and is super easy to clean and has very little recoil its my new truckgun I will see how it does in the verycold and snow soon


oh on the SL8 there nice.....but the all plastic thing bugs me as does the mag well cracking and the no AR mags with out buying a adaptor
 
Rob_man587 said:
th first statement is this all for the swiss ?
i would not beable to hunt with the sl8? or is it just to heavy / big.

( how much loctite will keep the cracks from opening?)
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Yes his first statement is for the Swiss.

You can hunt with the non-res SL-8, it's also heavy and long. It does have handguard options for quad rails that can be ordered with Wolverine, they can get pricey though.
 
loki_81 said:
Yes his first statement is for the Swiss.

You can hunt with the non-res SL-8, it's also heavy and long. It does have handguard options for quad rails that can be ordered with Wolverine, they can get pricey though.
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ah i see, so far the xcr seems the more opt way to go, my worry about the xcr is the rear disassemble pin, it looks to easy to open as well as i dont trust it.
 
Jamie said:
well let me say I was a XCR hater....till i held the newer one....and I dropped the hammer and bought it I took it all apart added the loctite and have fired 800rds in 3 weeks out of it 0 issues with Hornady ammo holds 1.5/2" avg at 100meters 3" with surplus (7.62 39) and is super easy to clean and has very little recoil its my new truckgun I will see how it does in the verycold and snow soon


oh on the SL8 there nice.....but the all plastic thing bugs me as does the mag well cracking and the no AR mags with out buying a adaptor
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Dont run heavy oil, use something very light on the hammer and pivot. Ive got hundreds of rounds off as low as -34f and not a one issue.
 
Dont worry about that latch. Mine been strapped to my back dirtbiking for hundreds of miles, hiking for hundreds of hours, packed, stacked and crammed wherever itll fit in the truck and its never once popped open either.
 
The verdict is not out yet as which is the more accurate between the Swiss and the MR-1, it will be a lot closer than i thought... JP.
 
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