New to flints.. a few questions?

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I just got 10 flints for a Pedersoli Queen Anne reproduction pistol and of course I had to try it. I cut the back strap off an old pair of work gloves to get some leather and mounted a flint in the gun..put some powder in the pan and it ignited first time I pulled the trigger.:dancingbanana:
Being curious about how reliable this was going to be I kept on trying it and it worked every time for about 8 shots then the reliability dropped off to the point that it would not go off at all.
The questions that I have are about what if anything can be done to restore the flint rather than replace it. Can the flint be sharpened or is it toast at this point?
I only paid $1.65 for what is obviously a hand made piece so the other question is ..how reliable is the supply of these flints.
 
Eight shots is not a lot for a flint in a good lock. It may not even need to be touched up. Did you wipe the fouling off the flint and the face of the hammer (frizzen)? Since the flint needs to dig in and, in effect, scrape the sparks out of the steel, anything that reduces the friction enough can prevent sparking.

Flints can be resharpened by a variety of techniques, ranging from traditional pressure-flaking to grinding with a coarse or extra-coarse diamond lap (with water for the cutting fluid). It's too late for me to go into any detail right now - gotta get to bed. Hopefully someone else will be able to get back to you with some of the techniques, but I'll check back in when I can.

Regards,
Joel
 
The questions that I have are about what if anything can be done to restore the flint rather than replace it. Can the flint be sharpened or is it toast at this point?

The number of shots depends on a couple of things; quality of the flint, hardness of the frizzen. Eight shots seems a little low, but knap it and you'll be good to go.

Flint Knapping is the term used for sharpening flints that get the way you describe. All your doing is simply chipping off the dull forward edge of your flint, leaving a sharp one. Some people use a knapping hammer, and just hit the edge of the flint - as pieces break off, your left with a sharp edge.

Check-out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgMslaTuOQo

I use a brass rod that has a filed-out edge on the face; using a small hammer, I tap off small pieces, until the desired sharpness is reached. The edges should be further back than the face of the flint, (i.e. the middle of the flint should strike the frizzen first, not the edges).
 
I would hope to get at least 20 shots from a decent lock and flint before having to knap it back to sharpness. Usually a flint can be knapped about 3 times before becoming too short to function properly. Be sure to wipe the face of the frizzen clean with your thumb each time you prime the pan and keep oil away from the frizzen face. Experiment with the frizzen/flint geometry: sometimes a flint will spark better with the bevel down rather than up. It is the scraping action of flint on steel, rather than direct impact, that creates the sparks so strive for the longest scrape track down the face of the frizzen. As for a reliable supply, several M/L supply shops have them in the various sizes so check websites or attend a B/P shoot... The correct size flint will be as wide as your frizzen and long enough that when set at half-####, the sharp edge is approximately 1/8" from the frizzen face with the frizzen closed down on the pan. Good luck and have fun.
 
Here is a picture of the lock in the half cocked position,the flint is about 1/8 inch from the frizzen. These are English flints which are hand knapped,they appear to be the right size for this lock.

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after you knap it, that flint should start striking at a bit of an angle and that will give you a longer flint life. If the flint hits to square on, it tends to shatter the edge back. Basically you fire it until it is dull then knap it back a trifle and as above, should get two or three knappings before the flint is too short. I use a 3/16" diameter brass rod and use my short starter as a mallet for knapping. My short starter is more or less mallet shaped rather than the ball end that you usually see in stores. I drive the brass rod back trying to engage only the very edge of the dull flint and with the rod at about a 45 degree angle.

cheers mooncoon
 
You can try a short cut that always works (for me anyway...). Just turn the flint upside down and try it a couple of times. Then turn it around back to were it was. Make a point to check that it is tight as a loose flint will not spark well, if at all. If after trying this, and knapping does not work try a new flint. There is a possibility you may have some poor flints. I have a flint in my trade gun that has over 70 shots out of it and it is still ok. I have had to turn it around a couple of times but it is obviously a good quality flint. If the problem persists you may have to get the frizzen treated.

Cheers. Steve.
 
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I prefer English flints as they are cheaper than the French and generally more readily available. Have not had much luck with saw-cut flints: they are expensive, seem to get dull quickly and I have not been able to knap them back to sharpness. The dude in the Weapontech video link is pretty crude with his knapping hammer - usually you need only chip the dull edge back a mm or 1/16" to get it sharp and serviceable again so no need to go knocking off big chunks. Again, it is the scraping action of the sharp flint on hard steel, not direct impact, that creates the sparks.
 
Have not had much luck with saw-cut flints: they are expensive, seem to get dull quickly and I have not been able to knap them back to sharpness.
The only success I've had or read about with sharpening the cut flints is to grind them back to shape with a diamond lap or some similar coarse abrasive. These can also work for touching up and/or reshaping regular knapped flints, but most prefer knapping one way or another. For regular flints, I usually pressure-flake them with antler or copper, but that takes a bit of practice.

In addition to the tools & techniques already mentioned, a handy knapping tool many use has a ledge or notch 1/32-1/16" deep, that one sets on the edge of the flint and taps with a hammer, knife handle, short starter, etc. to take off small chips. This may be as narrow as the corner of a turn-screw blade or wide enough to trim the whole edge at once, but most are in-between, cut near the end of some round or square rod or some other tool. The shallow depth of the notch keeps you from accidentally breaking off too much of the flint. A somewhat similar item I've seen that I seem to recall being possibly found in period looks like a miniature blunted hatchet that you set across the edge of the flint and tap as above - this requires a bit more care in use. NOTE that whenever you are knapping the flint while it is still in the ####, it is best to do this at half-####, then hook a finger underneath the lower jaw to pull the #### back slightly and support the bottom of the flint. This is to avoid unnecessary stresses on the tumbler and sear.

Another technique that some use (and I've used occasionally) is use the lock to knap the flint against the heel of the hammer/frizzen. Pull the #### back just far enough that you can close the frizzen to where the flint sits on it just above the bottom. Then hold the frizzen in exactly that position while you bring the #### back to full-#### and pull the trigger - this knocks a row of small chips off across the whole edge of the flint at once.

These techniques raise important safety matters that are sort of obvious and may already have been raised, but I can't remember, so I'll belabor them anyway. These are consequent to the fact that a single stray spark that bounces into the touch-hole could fire the gun. Some firelocks will go off when tried without priming a surprisingly large fraction of the time, and any will go off at least occasionally. Therefor, ideally, any knapping and/or adjusting of the flint while in the lock should be done with your firelock EMPTY. There are times when this is very inconvenient, so then you should dump the prime, brush/wipe all the priming granules from in and around the pan (that's what those flintlock brushes are for - not cleaning), plug the touch-hole, and keep both the muzzle and the touch-hole pointed in safe directions throughout the process. Even if your tools are non-sparking (antler, copper, brass, soft iron), BE PARANOID! "Murphy" can be nasty, and you never know when he's paying a visit. "That shouldn't have happened!" is something you do not want associated with potentially lethal items. Should I mention that I still have some bits of the spotty black tattoo you can get from the touch-hole even without priming? A little inattention when dealing with a misfire was enough!

Regards,
Joel
 
I have found that using a flat dimond knife sharpener, a couple passes with it and am good to go. Folds up into its own handle. Less wear on my flints then knapping and you can somewhat adjust the angle of the flint.

chris.
 
I have knapped cut flints with my short starter as a mallet and a 3/16 brass rod but I still consider them to be a second best alternative to english flints. What I never seem to get around to doing is to make a couple of spare top jaws for my lock and put a lump or pedestal at the back edge so that the jaw will angle down on flints with a high ridge in the center. The ledge on the vertical post on the hammer governs how high of a flint the top jaw will clamp level on and if it is too low, the top jaw angles up and pops the flint out. By putting a bump on the back bottom of the top jaw you are in effect raising the ledge and able to use higher or thicker flints

cheers mooncoon
 
Regarding safety comments by JOELVCA above, apparently many old flintlocks were found to have a small bird wingfeather in the patchbox or accompanying possibles bag and Dillon (The Kentucky Rifle) speculated that the feather was used for plugging the vent hole while using the lock to start a fire using charcloth with or without a small amount powder in the pan or when knapping the flint with a charge in the barrel.

WRT knapping, I've been saving my worn out rifle flints with the idea of reshaping them into smaller, pistol sized flints some rainy day when I have nothing better to do LOL.
 
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