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Hey guys,

Im new the the surplus world and am interested in starting a small collection of 5 or so rifles. What should I start with a Lee enfield or maybe a mauser?
I dont want to break the bank either. Just for plinking and I think theyre pretty cool too. I have a friend who has a Spanish Mauser is that a good place to start?
Sorry for sounding retarded but I have up until this point collected hunting rifles (17) in all. ALso were is a good place to look?
 
well.. for milsurp shooters, rather than collector rilfes only, the price is ofcourse more reasonable and the places to find such rifles are also easier.

for mausers, www.marstar.ca still sell their yugo refurb german k98k's for about 400 i think, great shooters.

enfields are easy to pick up, here on the board, ww2 enfields are sold every week.

for moisen rifles, P&S military has a bunch, for good prices also.

that should get you started with the 3 best shooters, who arent too expensive, in the milsurp market.
 
Im new the the surplus world and am interested in starting a small collection of 5 or so rifles.

Yeah, we all start that way.

Second the advice on the Marstar mausers, however, I think you can get a brand new condition M48 Mauser for about $400.

Be warned, once you start, you will not be able to stop. Very addicting hobby.
 
Yeah, I gotta say, the small milsurp collection is almost an oxymoron. I started with a list of 6 rifles I wanted - now I have 20 rifles and 8 handguns, and I still don't have everything on the original list. Even worse, the current list has about 200 guns in total.
 
I sold off pretty well all my mausers and anything with leaf/post type sights. I find the sight picture lousy and can't shoot worth a crap with them. All my milsurps have apeture/post sights now, mostly US issued/designed. The US Model of 1917 is pretty much my favorite milsurp right now. Great triggers, great sights, well balanced, smooth mauser action, very acccurate. Garands can be very accurate too and have all the same great features, nice triggers, great sights, all around fine firearms.
The only thing I have left with post/leaf sights is 1 yugo 24/47, just because the wood and metal are so nice, and a K31...but it will probably get a diopter like the other one.
 
Hitzy said:
I sold off pretty well all my mausers and anything with leaf/post type sights. I find the sight picture lousy and can't shoot worth a crap with them. All my milsurps have apeture/post sights now, mostly US issued/designed. The US Model of 1917 is pretty much my favorite milsurp right now. Great triggers, great sights, well balanced, smooth mauser action, very acccurate. Garands can be very accurate too and have all the same great features, nice triggers, great sights, all around fine firearms.
The only thing I have left with post/leaf sights is 1 yugo 24/47, just because the wood and metal are so nice, and a K31...but it will probably get a diopter like the other one.


I'll take that mauser when you get bored with it Hitzy.


See what I mean Honk Nonk Boom. I started out wanting a Swede Mauser and a nice Lee Enfield. Over thirty rifles later and the list just keeps growing.
 
I always tell people to get Israeli K98 Mausers as they are in 7.62 x 51 but are German or Czech manufactured (excluding the FN manufactured.) Cheap to shoot, you can really burn through some ammo with them. Great if you want to plink with them. The key is to find one in good shape, some are real shot out.
They are for sale on the Exchange Forum fairly regularily, usually for less than $350....
 
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+1 on the advice to buy yourself a Lee Enfield ('full woody' of course!) It would be unpatriotic for anyone new to milsurp to NOT get one :) $250-$350 seems about right for a non-rare SMLE in decent to really nice shape (as with everything expect to pay more for a superb example).

Yugo Mauser: yes, buy one! Not just 'because Marstar sells them' but because it is practically the only 50+ year old infantry rifle you can still buy in un-issued condition. Remember there won't be any newer stuff since most more modern stuff is select fire. The M-48's we have are no refurb, they're un-issued. You've your choice of matching or non-matching (sometimes new mfg. floorplates were renumbered at the factory during assembly, this explaining the non-matching ones). $400 for un-issued.

Other things to seriously consider would be an M91/30 or M44 Soviet (or other East Bloc mfg.) rifle. There's cheap ammo for them (<$200 for a crate of 780 rounds). Finnish Nagants fetch more but are built nicer. Garden variety Soviet Nagants tend to fetch around $250 in excellent condition.

Yugo M-59: a real milsurp that eats cheap ammo and is built tough. Also a good buy because it kills two birds with one stone: inexpensive-to-feed and fun semi-auto that is also genuine army issue. We have 'em for $250.

Mauser K98: as mentioned earlier we have some arsenal refinished WW2 originals. They're not in as nice condition as the M-48 rifles but have plenty of history. $400 for a decent refurb, more on the secondary market for better condition and/or all original.

Garand: pricey as a starting rifle but that's because people like Garands. Because of this they're amongst the quickest and easiest of all milsurps to sell here: when I sold one it went in seventeen minutes :eek: Expect to pay $500+ for a decent one and almost double that for an excellent WW2 original.

In General: the three most important things to consider when thinking of purchasing a collectible milsurp are research, research, and research. To the untrained eye two apparently identical military rifles of the same model and in the same condition can be worth $250.00 and $1,500.00 respectively. The tricky part is knowing what to look for and where to look for it.

Generally speaking starting at the lower end of the price spectrum (albeit without buying 'junker' rifles) is your best and safest bet. This way you can try out several different makes and models of milsurp, sell what doesn't interest or fit well with you for (almost?) all your money back, then focus on researching and finding rarities in your newly chosen specialty.

So long as the buyer is trustworthy and the item is as advertised you can't go far wrong plunking down $250-$300 for a Lee Enfield in decent/very decent shape, for example, but stay away from the 'super collectible' stuff until you're well-schooled in that field. If that freshly bought $750+ 'all-original matching K98' turns out to be a refurb you've just lost half your money. Worse yet, if that 'concentration camp death's head SS K98' you've paid a fortune for turns out to be a forgery you've a butchered piece of junk worth no more than $150 as a shooter :p (believe it or not this HAS happened!)

Hope this helps,

- Peter
 
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