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I have a question that everyone who owns a AR 15 probably knows. What are the Magazine Limits in Canada for this Restricted firearm?

5 round for centerfire rifle or
10 round for restricted

So is the AR-15 and all other Restricted rifles limited to a 5 rounder, or a 10 rounder. I think since its a Restricted like pistol, and meant for target shooting only, then it should come with a 10 round Magazine, is that the case? I dont think it should have to be limited to a 5 round magazine like a Non-restricted rifle like a Browning Bar or Ruger Mini-30, that is meant for Hunting.
 
Under most circumstances, the mag cap. limit for a semi-auto centerfire rifle is 5 rounds. There are 2 exceptions to this rule, and both deal with magazines that are designed for handguns ( the LAR 15 handgun by Rock River Arms and the Beretta Storm handgun). For those two firearms only, you can use 10 round magazines in rifles because they take magazines that are designed for handguns (where the limit is 10 round capacity).

The defining criteria is what firearm the magazine was designed for, not what firearm it is used in (comes direct from the RCMP Firearms Reference Section. the memo can be found on the website but I don't have the link handy).
 
blueflash said:
I have a question that everyone who owns a AR 15 probably knows. What are the Magazine Limits in Canada for this Restricted firearm?

5 round for centerfire rifle or
10 round for restricted

So is the AR-15 and all other Restricted rifles limited to a 5 rounder, or a 10 rounder. I think since its a Restricted like pistol, and meant for target shooting only, then it should come with a 10 round Magazine, is that the case? I dont think it should have to be limited to a 5 round magazine like a Non-restricted rifle like a Browning Bar or Ruger Mini-30, that is meant for Hunting.
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Not quite. The magazines are limited by law to either 5 or 10 rounds according to what firearms they were designed for. An AR-15 magazine, for example, is limited to 5 rounds because it was designed for use in an AR-15 rifle. The 10 rounders are designed for the LAR-15 pistol, so they are limited to 10 rounds, as a pistol mag. It doesn't matter what they are used in, but what they are designed for that matters. Therefore, if a mag is marked AR-15, it is limited to 5 rounds, while if it is marked LAR-15, it is limited to 10 rounds.

EDIT: Oops, shredder beat me to it.:D
 
It's one of the few instances where the fact that the Firearms Act was written by people who know nothing about firearms has actually worked in our favour.

It's not a loophole, the wording is very precise.
 
SCDL said:
It's not a loophole, the wording is very precise.
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It very much is a loophole. The people who wrote the law knew what they wanted to do, but because of their complete ignorance of the topic they used wording that allows us to do something they never intended us to do. That's what a loophole is.
 
Okay, I think I got it. Now one more question to help clarify for me. What are all of the intertanchable 10 round magazines that will fit into a AR-15.
 
Okay, another question. If the LAR 15 Magazine will fit into a couple different rifle such as the AR-15 and M16, and its legal to use the 10 round Magazine in the AR-15 at the range, is it legal to use the 10 round LAR-15 magazine in a Non-Restricted M-16 out in the field if you were hunting?
 
It should also be mentioned that the LAR-15 10 rounders aren't just limited to AR-15 rifles only, but they can also be used in any rifle that takes an AR-15 mag, such as the AR-180B, Robarms XCR, Robarms M96, Tavor, FN FS2000, etc.
 
There are no AR-15 variants that are non-restricted. However, there are other "black rifles" that are non-restricted, and some do take the AR-15 magazines. These firearms are NOT based on the AR-15 design, so they are not restricted firearms. A pretty good list of them was posted quite a while back:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=286537

Note: Some, not all of the designs mentioned in that thread take AR-15 mags.
 
BattleRife said:
It very much is a loophole. The people who wrote the law knew what they wanted to do, but because of their complete ignorance of the topic they used wording that allows us to do something they never intended us to do. That's what a loophole is.
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It is not a loop hole. Because if the wording is any different from what it is, the law will be impossible.

Think of it, if any magazine that can hold 5 rounds of any catridge, than ANY magazine will be illegal because you can always somehow stick more than 5 rounds of 223 into a 308 magazine, even if it does not work .
 
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